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Wow, hard to believe that's a photo! So beautiful!

It doesn't reflect it that closely. The city is about 51% black, 41% white, and 8% Hispanic (of any race,) while the public schools are about 70% black, 16% non-Hispanic white, and 11% Hispanic.

Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as pedantic! I just know that expressions are tough for non-natives (and even sometimes for native speakers!) On topic, though, I think that the general trend would be for people to stay put. If you can't sell your house, you're pretty much out of luck. High-growth metros would slow, and high-cost metros with below-average home ownership rates (i.e. lots of renters) would see movement to lower cost areas (for high-rent cities, this would favor the suburbs) or possibly lower cost neighboring metros. If unemployment AND gas prices sharply spike, though, that could be pretty ugly all around. I think this is the surest formula for increasing population density around job centers- be they downtowns or "edge city" suburbs. Historically, the poor have been willing to spend a larger percentage of their income on housing within walking or transit distance to work, and as middle-class people find their incomes shrinking, I could see them mirroring this trend.

Preach it! I went to college in New England, and while I love the history and the beautiful, old architecture, I will never voluntarily live there again. The atmosphere just wore on me. I distinctly remember being back in Cleveland on a vacation, and being surprised when a store clerk greeted me when I walked in. It was at that moment that I realized I needed to move back west.

For what it's worth, I know a guy who was homeschooled with his siblings, but their parents had this sort of collective of other homeschooling families whose kids would get together for athletic activities, field trips, etc. I always thought that was kind of neat.

Cette expression ne convient pas; il vaudrait mieux dire "étudiant." Pourtant, j'avais l'impression qu'il n'est plus à la fac... Yeah, but Quebeckers sound like Kermit the Frog when they speak English, so I'm not sure they count! :-D

My personal opinion is that it's a combination of people still being registered even though they now live elsewhere (frequently in neighboring counties,) and the Census Bureau severely overestimating Cuyahoga Co.'s population loss. The county lost about 19,000 people between 1990 and 2000, but the Bureau apparently has estimated that we've lost around 100,000 since '00. Yeah, right.

My guess is that a lot of OSU kids have decided to register in their home counties this time around. I would have no way of confirming that, though.

That's exactly why I would rather have my children in Major Work in Cleveland than in Westlake schools.

It's more than just a cop out, it's just plain wrong. I went to public school in both Cleveland and the suburbs (relatively recently,) and I can say from experience that there are city schools and programs that are just as good or better than their suburban counterparts. Making blanket statements about a school district that has over a hundred schools and over 50,000 students from all kinds of socioeconomic backgrounds in 36 very different neighborhoods is absurd. I have found that most people who make such statements are just parroting what "everybody knows" because they are indeed ignorant in the truest sense of the word- they have a lack of personal experience, and therefore a lack of knowledge of what's actually available from the school district.

Thanks for the clarification.

Doesn't the Laketran no. 10 go directly from DT to Mentor with the terminus a few miles west of Steris? That would at least be a one-bus option, even if it still meant walking/biking/whatever for the last leg.

^ Wow, that's a really rare show of support (or at least lack of disdain) for public transportation/the EC from that site. If your question wasn't facetious, I'm actually inclined to say City-Data is worse than cleveland.com, simply because UOers occasionally post on the latter.

West of downtown, I second Ohio City and would add Tremont, Detroit-Shoreway, and Edgewater.

Tremont Montessori isn't supposed to be bad, either.

Hi free07, and welcome to the forum! Have you seen the City's development strategy? It's a large pdf file (120 or so pages,) but at the end, they talk about tailoring development efforts to specific neighborhoods. I don't remember any details, since I read it so long ago, but I remember that there are definitely places in the report where the authors mention redeveloping retail corridors, streetscaping, etc. It's an interesting read, so if you're interested check out the link (but I repeat, it's a large pdf.) http://city.cleveland.oh.us/pdf/Development%20Strategy%20Full%20Document.pdf

Tonight, on the downtown Sparx trolley on Public Square. Two Urban Outfitted girls in their mid-twenties with tacky-azz accessories: Girl 1: OMG! Look at the car on the thing! (Points to baby blue travesty on pedestal in front of the May Co. building.) Girl 2: OMG! That is sooooo cool! Me: :cry:

One of those fools was Andrew Carnegie, btw.

They also did that during the Orchestra's outdoor concert on July 2.

The reason for the drop is likely the size of the survey sample. I believe I pointed the same thing out last year- these poverty rankings are based on small population surveys, so the reported rate can vary dramatically from year to year. It is indeed a remarkable change for one year- and also improbable. This is likely due to the fact that the 2007 poverty ranking was probably unrealistically high to begin with. A truer picture of poverty and every other demographic category will be available after the 2010 Census. I hate that so many people, especially the media, latch on to these rankings like they're gospel.

We have multiple museums downtown already- the Rock Hall and the Science Center to start, plus the Mather and USS Cod (and arguably the inside of the Soldiers and Sailors monument.) One reason I saw on this board for supporting the current CC location was improving the connection betweent North Coast Harbor and the rest of downtown. Since the RRHOF and GLSC aren't going anywhere, at least for the foreseeable future, a museum in the current CC/Public Hall space might be an interesting way to increase people flow from Public Square, through the civic district of city hall/the justice center/the federal building, and down to NCH. I see it more as an expansion of the existing downtown museum district than as a detriment to the one in University Circle.

I was really impressed when she spoke- she's a very articulate person. My favorite part was when she called for more rail. I had to really fight to hold back the snorts.

That's correct. I believe that Stonebridge was included in the Brookings report that gave downtown's population as 9,600 or so. I think I recall forumers here saying that downtown sans the Flats' West Bank is now around 10,000, so if FWB is included, that number would indeed be higher (and we'd be looking at the same area that Brookings did in 2002 or whenever that report was published.)

Well, downtown Cleveland is already seeing pretty impressive population growth, especially compared to the rest of the city. As more housing continues to be built or created from existing non-residential space, the population will likely grow even more. As for seeing a "flood" of people, well, I don't know. Cleveland's economy and growth patterns have been pretty moderate lately (moderate job losses in some sectors, moderate gains in others, moderate population loss for the city as a whole, but moderate gain in metro population and certain neighborhoods. And before people jump on me, that's only looking at actual decennial Census counts, not any of the recent, nebulous estimates.) So I don't know that there would be an "explosion" per se of people downtown. On the other hand, given the large number of housing units planned for FEB, Pesht, and conversions along Euclid, etc. (it seems like there's a new one announced weekly,) there may be more of a flood than I'd expect. That does assume that the demand for downtown housing stays constant or grows, and given the rate of sales for downtown condos and high occupancy rates for rental properties, and during an economic downturn at that, I'd say that's not an unrealistic expectation. So that long answer basically boils down to, "it's hard to say, but I'm cautiously optimistic."

Is it? I thought the article made it seem like Ingenuity Festival was pretty successful this year. I'm guessing the quote was taken out of context, because that was the only sentence that seemed to cast any doubt at all (except, of course, for the PD's embellishment, "Though supporters must wait and see...")