Confiteordeo

Hey, thanks a lot. I appreciate your respectful disagreement. :roll:

No, he's not, but since he's currently THE face of Cleveland sports, he should have come with no hat at all. It just reflects poorly on our city.

Although I agree that the housing market probably has some impact on what Stark said, mightn't his cautious tone also be slightly disingenuous? It might be part of a tactic to secure his portion of anchor tenants.

You mean you aren't?!?!?! *Gasp!* :wink: Seriously, though, you're absolutely right about the incidence of random murders. Most violent crime is criminal-on-criminal, and a lot of it is drug-related. If you keep your nose clean, so to speak, I don't think there's much to worry about. There are always freak murders (like the fireman one in July,) but those are really rare.

I did notice the relative whiteness of the interviewees. Showing more diversity would be a big plus. I also agree about the need to market our other very attractive neighborhoods (and to add to your list, why not Westpark for families? They could talk about the strength of the schools there, for one.) Honestly, though, I was just happy that I didn't see anyone talking about living in Independence or Avon Lake. Everyone was talking about the city, and all of the shots were of the city, which I appreciated. I laughed when I read that. :laugh: What came to my mind, though, was having a few couples talk about how they love their communities and how comfortable they feel living in such and such a neighborhood. I personally don't take it like that. I think people use "town" as an affectionate diminutive, and I hear NYC and Chicago referred to as "towns," too, so I don't sweat it.

I think this is my favorite Cleveland video ever: [youtube=425,350]S8ziH0jLMho Wonder if the CVB has this?

My point is that Nebraska isn't the middle of the Midwest- it's the western edge of the Midwest, just like Ohio is the eastern edge of the Midwest. The middle is more like Illinois or Wisconsin. It actually takes me less time to get to the middle of the Midwest (somewhere like Chicago) than it does to get to the Atlantic. I'm sorry, I misunderstood your post. I thought you were implying that Cleveland is an east coast city, when it obviously isn't. Seattlites seem to have a different opinion, then. You're misconstruing what I said. You might classify my area as "Great Lakes region," but the southern parts of the state might not agree with being called that. Edale's post seems to agree with me on that. I guess you could call the Great Lakes states a "super-region," just like the Atlantic states form a "super-region" that's further broken down into the South- and Mid-Atlantic and New England. Philadelphia is not that far from the ocean at all - and they're on a river that runs directly into the Atlantic-, so it's conceivable for them consider themselves "east coast." I think you'd find a similar situation in Ohio- people who live a certain distance from the water would be fine with being classified as "Great Lakes," while people from farther inland may not. And no, Las Vegas isn't on the west coast. It's in the middle of the desert. It is in the west, of course, but nowhere near the coast. I'm sorry, but please cut the attitude. I was referring to your "driving distance determines region" notion, and you must not have noticed the smiley ( 8-)) indicating that I was being facetious. (For the record, though, I think Buffalonians actually do identify somewhat with Canada...)

And Nebraska is on the westernmost edge of the "alleged" Midwest- but whatever... I live nowhere near the Atlantic Ocean. You could argue that Cleveland has an "East Coast feel," but that's different than being an East Coast city. More accurately, Cleveland has a "Great Lakes feel," like Milwaukee, Chicago, and Detroit, and although "Great Lakes region" is one way of describing my part of Ohio, I don't know that people from Cincinnati would feel the same way. Actually, now that I think about it, I can drive to Windsor in less time than it takes to drive to Cincinnati. That must mean I'm Canadian! 8-)

Don't forget Tremont, though! If you're into walking or jogging, I think you'll like the neighborhood a lot. It's more tranquil than Ohio City (and has a lower crime rate,) but it has a lovely park (Lincoln Park) and some very nice cafés and art galleries (especially on Professor Ave.) There's also a library branch on Jefferson Ave., although I haven't been inside. You might be interested in this website: http://restoretremont.com/ Good luck with your search! Although everyone here has their own favorite neighborhoods, all the suggestions have been good. In my opinion, you should definitely rent before buying and spend time in the areas that interest you, and the best way to find out what living in a given neighborhood is like is to ask the neighbors! Oh, and welcome! :wave:

Rockandroller, how does your experience living in an outer suburb show what it's like living in the city on any level? I'm just wondering about the basis for this comment: and this one, Have you actually lived in Cleveland for 14 years? Or have you lived in Middleburg Heights? There's a huge difference, especially with regards to public transit.

This is a really cool canal, sans Christmas lights. I think that some pretty neat development could happen in this area, but it would have to be a bit better-connected to downtown.

I like this one, as well as the pink and gray variation. I think the main problem is that the flag makes it too tall and too busy for a logo. Would it work better if we just kept the bottom part and put "Urban Ohio" above it?

Although I like all Cleveland photo threads, I particularly enjoyed this one. Very interesting selection of photos!

That's exactly why it's so important to make calls to the city government and police higher-ups, or possibly even hold a neighborhood meeting/rally. The first line of defense is an aware community that communicates its needs and problems to the people who are best equipped to handle them.

You say this, but then you say things like this, this, and this, It seems to me that the police and city council actually do need you to tell them what's happening in Tremont and for you to give them those excellent, simple suggestions and tipoffs for reducing street crime in the neighborhood. It's like my grandma used to say: the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so help direct police to the problem spots! :roll:

I understand what you're saying about city residents, but I think that the downtown banners will have an effect on the suburbanites who work there and flee home on 90 as soon as the whistle blows at the end of the day. These are the people who routinely spout nonsense about how downtown is dead after 5 and how there's nothing to do in the city. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to have banners in the suburbs, but why put one in Seven Hills, one in Parma, one in Rocky River, one in Bath Township, etc. when you can reach people who live all of these places by having a few banners downtown? I'm sure this is only part of a larger marketing effort within the region.

^I was approached by a signature collector in Tremont during the Verb Ballet thing on Friday. He said something about how the tax increase might have been illegal because if all of the money from the increase goes only to the convention center, the increase is required to be put on the ballot. Does anyone know if that's true?

To be fair, I think the projections were really unrealistic, especially given our economy, which, although recovering from the freefall of the 70s and 80s, is still weak. You're right, though, that Gateway has been a good addition to downtown. That area is so much better today than it was in the 80s.

Ok, thanks for the clarification :)

I love that idea. I'd buy three of everything.

By "it," do you mean "come to Nebraska" or "Cleveland+"?

Closer to home, there's also a Saffron Patch on Chagrin Boulevard in Shaker.

Not to get too off-topic, but I'm always puzzled by the Census estimates, too. The PD and people in the Cleveland area seem to take them as gospel, but seriously, if they actually looked at the numbers you'd think there would be questions about them. Cuyahoga county lost around 18,000 people between 1990 and 2000, but the PD reports that we lost 16,000 just between 2005 and 2006? The percent decline in population in the city of Cleveland has been dropping by about half every decade since the 70s (it was something like 5.4% between 90 and 00,) but somehow Cleveland's lost 7% of its population in the last 6 years? I know the economy hasn't been as strong in the 00s as it was in the 90s, but I still find those numbers hard to swallow. It hasn't been that bad around here. I agree. Cleveland and Cuyahoga county and Cincinnati and Hamilton county may all show net losses, but I bet they're going to be much smaller than the Census Bureau is predicting. I wouldn't be surprised by a small gain for Cincinnati, but I think that's less likely for Cleveland. Back on topic: As more desirable housing gets built in Ohio's downtowns, I think the influx of highly educated professionals will continue. I think mrnyc's "standard candle" idea makes a lot of sense for this kind of data, because as it's presented here, it's pretty meaningless.

I personally think Case has a very beautiful campus. I don't know how it compares to other ones in the state, though, because I haven't visited many.

Person, not to pick on you, but it seems like every time I read one of your posts, you're complaining about how great Pittsburgh is compared to Cleveland. Pittsburgh and Cleveland are two different places, and while they share many of the same problems, the context isn't necessarily the same, so the solutions to those issues might also be different. Like MTS said, what are you doing to help fix the problems you see in the city? You've complained about the homeless, the drivers, the condition of the roads, the police presence, the visibility of the mayor and his response to crime in the city. These are all valid concerns, and I suspect you could do a lot to help change things around here, but the first step is to quit making vague allusions to how things are done in Pittsburgh and suggest specific solutions!