Confiteordeo

Here's an interesting graphic from the PD's business section: http://www.cleveland.com/business/wide/index.ssf?retail0507.html Cleveland and Bratenahl are desperately underserved by retail, while most of the rest of the region is drowning in excess. Sprawl really is beginning to catch up to us, but I'm not holding my breath that the suburbs will catch on...

This is from page 7 of this thread. Is number 3 what you're talking about? http://www.cleveland.com/news/photos/gallery.ssf?cgi-bin/view_gallery.cgi/cleve/view_gallery.ata?g_id=4928

Hey, all I'm saying is that if the county decides to re-sell, free advertising doesn't hurt. And cut the personal attacks- neither I nor the moderators appreciate that.

Wow, you're right, I'm a total idiot. What was I thinking? Like a nationally distributed story about a unique building could ever attract a real estate investor's attention. Please excuse me for trying to find a silver lining in this whole affair. You're right about the appeasement, though. We'd better start throwing money at Dimora so he doesn't relocate the county offices to Florida!

Actually, if this tower is getting national attention, that may pique the interest of other potential buyers. Who knows what will happen?

The asbestos is coming out no matter what they do with the building.

AP story picked up by MSN: http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?Feed=AP&Date=20070515&ID=6906773 May 15, 2007 6:55 PM ET Ohio Office Tower Facing Demolition CLEVELAND (AP) - An architecturally acclaimed but mostly unloved office tower that sits empty has become a battleground between county commissioners determined to demolish it and preservationists and architects who want the Marcel Breuer building renovated.

Not only that, but like I said before, Cleveland is the county seat! Look at what Chardon's doing to keep Geauga county there. I honestly can't see this happening without a major fight.

Hi, and welcome to the forum and to Cleveland! I don't know much about Pittsburgh, so I'm afraid I can't help you with comparable Cleveland locations. However, from a purely practical standpoint, if you're going to be working in Independence, you'll want to be near I-77, so from your short list, I'd recommend Downtown, Ohio City, and Asia Town, and off of your list, Tremont. You'll find plenty of night life and entertainment options in those areas. As far as public transportation goes, I don't think there's much of anything that goes to Independence, but you'll be able to get around the city itself easily. There are lots of other great neighborhoods that other forumers can recommend, but keep in mind that if you're far from the city center you might add quite a lot of time to your daily commute. Good luck!

So how is Atlanta one of the most courteous cities if it's number 12 on the list? This reminds me of the air quality rankings we were looking at a week or so ago...

Could they actually do that, despite the fact that Cleveland's the county seat?

I like the Akron Aeros, but I can't say that I follow them with any regularity. I try to make a game every summer, though.

See, the problem is that they rebuilt Chicago. Do we really want that for Brunswick? :-D

Lake Erie is also much, much shallower than Lake Ontario, especially in the western half. The Toronto system pulls in water at 83 meters deep, but Erie's average depth is only 19 meters (I don't know what the average is around Cleveland.) I'm not an expert on this, but I don't think the water stays cool enough throughout the summer to be practical.

Did you find anything, Musky?

If you have someone going to Virginia Marti, you should definitely stick to the west side. Although Little Italy and Shaker Square are great neighborhoods, it would really be asking a lot of your friend to commute all the way across town. All things being equal, I would first suggest Edgewater or Cudell, although parts of Cudell can be kind of rough (generally the southern half, I think.) Like other forumers have said, Ohio City, Tremont, and Detroit-Shoreway are good bets, too. As far as Clark-Fulton goes, I know there's a lot of crime around Metrohealth, which is in the eastern part of the neighborhood, but I'm not sure about where you were looking. If you're interested in the house you mentioned, your best bet is to talk to your potential neighbors. They'll know more about crime in that area than any of us do, and if the houses and yards seem to be well kept-up, I'd bet they're fairly active in and/or concerned about their community and would be happy to give you an honest assessment. Good luck, and please keep us updated!

Unfortunately, that's only part of it. They're idling a plant with 600-700 workers, and completely closing a plant with 1,200.

Hey, I wasn't pushing one way or the other, I was simply stating a fact. Since I haven't lived there, I defer to your opinion about the "vibe," but it is indeed downtown. It seemed to me that tbone14 didn't realize this, so I was just trying to help. Do forgive me.

Umm, the Theater District IS downtown- it's centered at E. 14th street.

FYI, according to that study, Detroit's poverty rate was statistically indistinguishable from Cleveland's, which only reinforces your point.

"Upwind" also means "Pennsylvania:" http://webpub.alleg.edu/employee/c/cwaggett/fcehi/mercury-03evaluation.htm Map: http://webpub.alleg.edu/employee/c/cwaggett/fcehi/assets/PowerPlantLocations.jpg Wow! Just look at all of those plants in the counties surrounding Allegheny!

I don't think anything's keeping them from just coming in and opening a branch. The real problem I see is that if someone like Citi did that, they'd have to build a customer base from nothing, whereas if they acquired a local bank, they'd already have customers in the market, and they could try to expand from that.

No, it's actually saying that winds from Ohio and West Virginia carry most fine particles away from Pittsburgh. We're cleaning up your mess- you're making it all by yourselves. ;)

I found a slideshow on the Forbes website: http://www.forbes.com/2007/03/21/americas-dirtiest-cities-biz-logistics-cx_rm_0321amdirt_slide_2.html Cleveland is the 8th slide, after Atlanta, and this is what they had to say: Cleveland's pollution problem is very much a regional issue, as it is close to many industrial pollution sources. It also has a serious smog problem that is to some extent a highway (Route 90 for instance) as opposed to a smoke stack problem. I wasn't aware that we had a smog problem, but apparently our city looks like this: so I guess I shouldn't be that surprised.

The PD picked up on the AP story, too (from the American Lung Association.) Here's the list of worst air-polluted metropolitan areas: 1. Los Angeles, CA 2. Pittsburgh 3. Bakersfield, CA 4. Birmingham, AL 5. Detroit 6. Cleveland 7. Visalia, CA 8. Cincinnati 9. Indianapolis 10. St. Louis http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/national/index.ssf?/base/national-7/117799409423520.xml&storylist=national The data is a little outdated, since it's from 2003-2005, but it's not that old. Personally, I don't think our pollution levels are all that bad, except around the few remaining factories on the east side. I have to wonder, though, how New York City didn't make the list with all those cars. Even with all the people who take public transportation in NYC itself, the entire region is still something like 19 million people, and that's a lot of drivers...