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And Columbus: http://www.bet.com/Site+Management/Packages/COLUMBUSBESTCITIES.htm?wbc_purpose=Basic&WBCMODE=PresentationUnpublished Total Pop: 693,983 Black Pop: 25 percent Summary: Chosen by BET.com as the No. 1 city for African Americans in 2002, Columbus is a community of diverse neighborhoods, low unemployment and relatively low crime rates. It is a destination for well-educated African Americans.

From the BET website: http://www.bet.com/Site+Management/Packages/clevelandworstcities.htm?wbc_purpose=Basic&WBCMODE=PresentationUnpublished&Referrer=%7B5765683A-DDDB-4132-9B25-8ADF8A88A346%7D Why Cleveland Didn't Make the Cut By Mary Chapman Cleveland, Ohio Total Pop.: 414,534 (yeah right, Census Bureau.) Black Pop.: 53.8 percent Summary: Part of a rust-belt state battered by poor manufacturing economics, the Lake Erie city has high poverty, especially among its youth. Salaries lag the nation and the unemployment picture for Blacks is off the chain.

And because this thread is about more than Cincinnati, here are the numbers for our other major cities: Cleveland: 15- booksellers 50- educational attainment 47- internet 1- libraries 10- newspaper circulation 4.5- periodical publishers Columbus: 27.5- booksellers 11- educational attainment 17- internet 16.5- libraries 39- newspapers 22- periodical publishers Toledo: 56- booksellers 38.5- educational attainment 24- internet resources 3- libraries 27- newspapers 49- periodical publishers

17/21 is the PR Newswire figure, and the 5/22 is Progressive, right? Or did I misinterpret that?

Well that's a rather pleasant surprise! I like hearing good news about our cities! :clap:

Have you lived in Gary or Camden? If not, you have no way of making a comparison. My point was that you do it unconsciously. And you used the word "lively," not me.

Dan, I don't think anyone here is naïve enough to believe that cold weather is the biggest factor keeping people off of the streets downtown, but it certainly doesn't help. In a city of less than 500,000 without a significant tourist base and where few people live downtown, the cold does make a difference, especially when you throw in the street construction. You and Ms. Hunter have a biased point of view because you can't help comparing Cleveland to much larger and more vibrant cities, and we Clevelanders are just as biased because we've seen downtown and the entire city in much worse shape, so to us, the improvements we see around us seem much bigger than they actually are. No one here is claiming that the city is buzzing with activity. As the downtown population continues to grow and stores are cleaned up and re-opened, there will be a noticeable difference, but even today, I wouldn't call downtown dead. There are places in this country that are much, much worse.

That's what I was implying. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

I say leave it in. Even if we only have two "luxury" hotels, she said in the article that we have none, which is an outright lie, and she should know that she was wrong.

Berea's a city? :-D

I just wrote a pretty strongly-worded letter to that woman highlighting some of the projects around town. It just kills me how uneducated people are about this stuff. But that's what UO is here for, right? :wink:

& mortuaries/funeral homes I would like to nominate these statements for the "Silver Lining of the Year" award. :laugh:

I was thinking the same thing. It just doesn't look like it gets enough light to be livable, and I'm not sure how you would divide it up.

Is that monthly?

I agree that Beachwood is rather bland, and I don't think it's on a rail line (other forumers correct me if I'm wrong,) but I guess it would be fine if you just want something temporary. You'll be pretty car-dependent there, and you definitely won't really get a feel for Shaker Heights or the Shaker Square neighborhood. MyTwoSense is right about your husband's employer. Tell them what areas you're interested in, and see what they can come up with, but work at your own pace. You can still check out other options, and if your husband's employer doesn't find anything satisfactory within a time frame that you find comfortable, you'll already have other choices, and you won't have lost anything.

Chagrin Falls is not what I'd call diverse at all, being 98.7% white and only 0.05% African American. Also, it's on the eastern edge of Cuyahoga County, so public transportation will be much harder to come by. Shaker Heights is more racially and economically diverse (although people there are still generally rather well-off.) Public transportation would be more accessible there, since a Rapid line (rail) runs through Shaker. Like others in the thread, I'd also suggest Shaker Square. It's a very dense, safe, and walkable neighborhood with lots of retail and transit, and the option to send your kids to Shaker Heights schools.

Well, I was also thinking Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, and possibly Toronto (split off at Buffalo.) That's more population than central PA, and the tracks run along flat lake plains and rivers the whole way. In my opinion, it would be good to have both lines.

Uncle Rando- Re: the new map, what do you think of Cleveland-Buffalo-Boston (basically an upgrade of the Lakeshore Limited route?)

Don't forget Phoenix, Mesa, Tucson, and Albuquerque! I honestly don't understand the appeal of these places... *sigh.* As far as the tower goes, has there been any official announcement about demolishing it, or are we just assuming based on opinions of the commissioners?

Hi, and welcome to the forum! :wave: Glad to hear you're considering the best location in the nation! To answer your specific questions, the overall job market is a little weak, although job opportunities vary widely depending on your field. If you happen to be in banking, medicine, or law, I don't think you'll have any trouble at all finding employment, but you can forget about manufacturing. Cleveland was really hit hard by the last recession, but there are signs that the economy is improving, such as falling office vacancy rates and unemployment. There seem to be quite a few biotech start ups, and there is currently an effort to develop a design district (industrial, etc.) along Euclid avenue. Our cost of living is among the lowest in the country- for example, I believe the average price for a home in the city of Cleveland is around $86,000. Cleveland's neighborhoods are probably the city's greatest asset. Downtown and the adjacent Warehouse District are going through a large building boom, mostly consisting of new condos and warehouse conversions. Historically, not many people have lived downtown, but I believe there it's supposed to reach something like 20,000 residents by 2010. On the west side of town, Ohio City and Tremont are considered to be very trendy, and there are a lot of bars, clubs, and cool shops. West Park and Old Brooklyn are very family-oriented, and there are mansions along Lake Road in Edgewater. On the east side, University Circle is where most of the museums are, as well as Case Western Reserve University, and Shaker Square is a very dense and urban neighborhood. Throughout the city you can find unique dining and shopping. You should take a look at the neighborhood photos on the Urbanohio mainpage, as well as other more specific threads in the forums. There are three rail lines in town, a bus network, trolleys downtown, and a bus rapid transit project that's under construction on Euclid Avenue. The Rapid (the rail network) is not as extensive as the NYC subway, the El, or the T in Boston, but it's still fairly convenient to use, especially on the east side of town, and has a direct connection to the airport. I very much like living in Cleveland. For all its economic problems, I see a city that's on the rebound, even if it's starting with baby steps. There's a tremendous amount of culture- Playhouse Square (the second largest performing arts center in the country,) the Cleveland Orchestra (one of the Big Five,) the Cleveland Museum of Art, MoCA, and the Rock Hall, as well as professional sports: Browns football, Indians baseball, Cavaliers basketball, and soon to be the Lake Erie Monsters hockey. There's literally a ton of stuff to do. As for my dislikes, Cleveland has a high poverty rate, crime is a problem (although it tends to be concentrated in certain areas,) the public school system is underperforming (although the gifted and talented program, Major Work, is considered to be one of the best in the country,) and the economy is still sluggish. Clevelanders also tend to be very harsh on the city and pessimistic, but I'm hoping that the new citywide improvement plan and all of the developments around town will help change this. I also think that none of these problems are unique to Cleveland, although a lot of people act like they are. If you have any more specific questions, please post them, and I sincerely hope you decide to move to our city!

I love the Ingenuity Festival! Can't wait for July! :-D

I never accused anyone of "trying to steer Drheat to the 'burbs." I'm just trying to understand FHTH's reasoning because I have a different opinion, and I, too, would like to provide the best input I can. Thank you for half-addressing my concerns, though.

I don't understand why it's important to live in a suburb if you have to go to work in the middle of the night. If anything, it seems like you'd disturb the neighbors more there than in the city. I don't know much about apartment setups in CH, but it seems like you can find 2 bed/ 2 bath anywhere if you look hard enough, especially in some of the newer renovations downtown. I don't see how it's easier to get from CH to the Clinic than from downtown, especially if you're talking about transportation options. You have more options downtown, namely the Euclid Corridor project and the rapid. And as for driving, since it's a straight shot down Euclid from Playhouse Square to the Clinic, it seems like it would be easier to drive from downtown unless you live on Cedar, and then it's exactly the same. I guess Hough is starting to gentrify, but the only reason I'd want to "get in now" is if I were putting down roots, and I don't know that Drheat isn't planning on moving in a couple of years. It would make sense investing in a place that you planned on occupying for quite some time and possibly selling down the road, but we don't know if that's the case here. TI suppose the townhouses are a little different, but the neighborhood's current status is still something to take into consideration.

Cleveland Heights is nice, but it's still a suburb. Personally, I'd take Playhouse Square over CH or Shaker any day of the week. PS is well-balanced, since it's near the downtown activity and transportation, but still fairly quiet. Plus, when the Avenue District and Euclid Corridor projects are finished, the neighborhood will only be that much more connected and vibrant. Good point about the Clinic's website. The only thing I'd add, though, is that Hough still seems a little rough to me, outside of the newer developments.

Hi, and welcome to the forum! Downtown would be a very fun place to live, and it actually is pretty safe, but you're right to be concerned about noise, especially on the weekends. The noisiest areas downtown are probably the Warehouse District and anywhere near E. 4th street. However, you'd be very close to the Clinic, and once the Euclid corridor project is finished, getting there will be even easier. University Circle is also nice (there's a ton of cultural stuff to do,) and safe, but it may be noisy depending on how close you are to Case Western University's campus. Cleveland Heights and Shaker Heights are both suburbs, and I can't tell you much about them, but Shaker may be a little pricey. If you wanted to live in Cleveland Heights, check out the Coventry Road area. You might also want to look at Shaker Square, which is actually part of Cleveland proper, but borders Shaker Heights. It's a really nice neighborhood.