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Yes, May 2009 is correct.

Thanks for the info. In the meantime, Euclid Ave in in front of UH is really putting a hurtin on my car. I hope they get that all fixed up soon. Euclid Ave will be repaved won't it, I assume the whole way past Little Italy? As an aside, I spoke to Univ Circle Inc. today about their parking at the corner of Hessler and Ford. They said they hope to break ground for the retail/living project next May so the parking lot may not be available at that point.

Thats kind of what I thought would happen, but why not have the RTA vehicles on the interior the whole way? I do notice there is some kind of overpass somewhere near E 123rd st area, so maybe they couldn't build around that. It just seems to me that stopping traffic so RTA vehicles can go and then vice versa will probably create some kind of bottleneck. I'm not sure where this point will be as the orange barrels haven't come down yet past E 85th, but it appears it will occur somewhere near the Clinic.

It appears the terminals will be in the middle of the street from downtown out to the Clinic. But then I see the terminals on the exterior of the road starting somewhere towards case. How are these "vehicles" going to make it from the inside of the road (with cars to the outter lane) to the outer lane without running into the cars?

I couldn't find the thread on the Euclid Corridor project, but I had one question about it. It appears the terminals will be in the middle of the street from downtown out to the Clinic. But then I see the terminals on the exterior of the road starting somewhere towards case. How are these "vehicles" going to make it from the inside of the road (with cars to the outter lane) to the outer lane without running into the cars?

I just drove down Euclid since it was opened today the whole way to the Clinic. There was something that struck me from about E 55th to E 71st and it was those huge warehouse buildings that are completed abandoned. Are there any plans to remove these enormous structures? They are an eyesore to the area, and I can't imagine they would have any future use.

Just curious, does Sherwin Williams occupy all that building space between W 2nd and Ontario on your map?

Looking at your red shaded area on the first picture, I guess the Tower City site would require the outdoor parking deck between Canal Rd and Huron Rd to be removed. I was thinking the Convention Center would have to go between Canal Rd and the river because removing the deck would be quite the job and cause all sorts of parking disruptions. Although the Tower City site is more connected, I would really like the convention center and the people that go with it to be visible in the city on street level. The Tower City site is too hidden and enclosed. Chances are, a visitor passing through downtown wouldn't be able to tell you if there was a convention or not. Although the current Convention Center is "less connected", it is also more visible on a street level. Part of it does seem like its underground though from what I remember, I haven't spent a lot of time in that area. I would really like everything to be above ground in plain view of the city (sort of like the one in Pittsburgh).

There isn't much space in front of Tower City for the Convention Center. You already have Sherwin Williams there. Personally, I think the Convention Center would be better somewhere else downtown because there is a lack of visibility in front of Tower City on the river. Go to google satellite maps and look how little space you have in front of Tower City. There is the outdoor parking deck in front of it and then a surface lot on the river next to Sherwin Wiliams.

Went grocery shopping today at the Walmart in SYC. The prices are so insanely cheap. Some products were a 30% discount or higher over Dave's. Breyer's ice cream was $3.86, and not even on sale! Customer service was very friendly. Way too crowded for me though. Too many real slow people, people that stop in the middle of the aisle paying no attention to whose behind them, people that don't even move when you say excuse me. Too many bratty kids with their moms swearing and telling them to shut up and screaming at them. I'll have to try a quieter time when I go back.

I proposed that the Ohio Highway Patrol should be providing assistance to fight crime in Cleveland a few weeks ago. http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20070914_State_police_to_patrol_Philadelphia_streets.html Looks like in Philly the PA staties will be patroling the streets there given its crime problems as of late. Its time for them to step up to the plate in Ohio.

Yes, that is tacky I put my income on the messageboard. I usually type what first comes to my mind without going back and editing some. There is more than just me in my household, so my income isn't really out of the ordinary.

Well I'm not surprised to see these robberies in Tremont are being brought to the forefront again, after I mentioned the first robbery last week where I heard gunshots and a woman screaming very close to my house. Apparently, there was a second robbery which occurred over the weekend. The police should be saturating this area during the night, running undercover operations, including plain clothes officers on foot, but they do absolutely nothing (at least not that I am aware of). I never ever see them at night on the weekdays or after the bars close on the weekends. There are only a few bad applies that live in the Thurman Jefferson area (who I wouldn't doubt are collaborating with W 28th projects as suggested on the tremonter), and they can't control that? What happens when the residents of Valley View move in and these criminals start collaborating with those residents (teenagers moving in) in committing crimes? Its such an easy problem to solve, yet there is no action. It is such a small small area with respect to all the good parts of Tremont. What is further disturbing was that robberies happened in the same spot in two consecutive weekends. I was not around this past weekend during the robbery which happened the night of the 25th, which apparently was more serious than the weekend before. Why would you think these people on tremonter have alterior motives? One of them was a victim of a robbery for crying out loud! What does anonymous posting have to do with it? Do you think someone is coming on the message board and making stuff up? I have lived in many many different urban areas, some of which were downright scary, but the level of inactivity by city council and the police is downright disgusting. At least where I lived previously in the one neighborhood in another city, the police were always blaring by, making arrests, chasing people on foot, etc, etc. Coincidentally, crime in that district since i moved from there in 2003 has plunged by 50%... Also posted on the tremonter...all the new real estate on cityview drive and on the lower end of w 6th is a looming disaster. I have been tracking every one of those properties (many of which are in the 300-400K range) and not one of them has sold in the last 5 months, which was prime buying time. have any even sold since they were put on the market? No doubt developers are panicing as they will have to take serious losses on these new developments. And what happens when Valley view opens? The residents moving in have to have criminal background checks, but often enough teenagers committing crimes don't have criminal backgrounds as of yet. As their teenagers age another year or two, crime will increase. I understand that the vast majority of these people are good hardworking people, but it only takes 3, 4, or 5 bad apples to turn a small area like tremont into yet another ghosttown.

I posted that comment from Cleveland.com because I thought it was an interesting read. I agree with some parts, but not all. And no, I am not Arby.

Thanks for your message Peabody, There are many things we have enjoyed here. I usually play devil's advocate on this forum to see how the others get rowled up. I am not in the least bit jaded so far, as Tremont is overall a pretty nice area and i have lived in some really crappy ones in other cities.

Well a good 10 minutes passed before I ventured outside, and the authorities had just arrived. A robbery would not make cleveland.com. I wasn't able to get much information (I didn't try that hard), but my guess is that someone was robbed and shots were fired but no one was hit. My gf ran out of gas the following morning at 8 am (yesterday morning on w 14 th) and the police rolled his window down and said to get in the car and lock the doors until I got there with the gas container, saying there was a shooting last night, looking around ducking, as if the perpetrator was just around the corner. She said she lived here, and he said "well you know the neighborhood". Nevertheless, yes I understand we live in an urban environment, and you have to watch your back in any city, but you cannot deny that Cleveland's problems are severe. Currently, Philadelphia is being called Killadelphia, but our murder rate (using census population estimate for 2006) is 19 murders per hundred thousand, will philadelphia's is 17.56. Although murders per say maybe irrelevant to many of us, it does underscore the need for more preventative, investigative police work rather than the police simply being there to react, as it seems right now. In the meantime, I have to slow my car down for those stupid traffic cameras and watch for the police hiding out in the woods doing radar in camouflouge.

Also a comment on the above article from Cleveland.com: I read a lot of new "buzz words" in this article: redlining, exurbia, national laboratory, transitional/fragile. This is your government at work again. The one question that I continued to ask while reading the article--which was nicely done--is who controls all of these federal housing dollars? Even more importantly, why are we using federal dollars to continue pretending a change is possible in some of these neighborhoods? Mayor Jackson may not wish to accept that Cleveland is going to continue to shrink but he better. Nothing personal against the mayor, but he has no clue how to right this decline. No one else does either. We can turn the city into a "national laboratory" and throw buzz words all over the place....then wait until the time is right and we will "self proclaim" success without a single tangible measure. This time will be different. It is clear the inner-ring suburbs are now fighting the new "buzz word" exurbia. Who creates these words? As someone who has studied and worked in public administration, I find them shockingly inaccurate and useless semantics. The best approach today is to quietly return the city to moderate mixed use. Demolish the abandoned homes and factories. Turn some of the factories into updated warehousing or stabilized mothballs. If it's cheaper to simply leave the building up, then throw paint on it and re-furbish the old signs. Make it look decent and leave it standing. Put money into beautification that creates jobs and thins the city out in a natural manner. The older populations in the Kinsman area may not be ready to move or may not be able to afford it. That's fine. As they move and/or pass on, it is the city's responsibility to cultivate something nice in its place. The best legacy the next several city administrations could leave is a beautifully re-defined city. Accept the shrinkage and work to bring back corporate headquarters and the like. Unfortunately, all we ever read is denial. The city and county administrations are interested in tax revenues and personal pride. A city does not "redline" as it is not a living, breathing entity. To accept that is to accept a ruse that only furthers the pace of decline. It's not difficult to envision a "new Cleveland" that is below 300,000 in population. It could be a beautiful city with planned mixed use and icons of the past that represent the great contributions the city and its former residents have made to America.

Drama in Tremont: I was woken up at 2:30 am by gun shots and some girl screaming. I eventually made my way outside in a daze and someone on my corner was calling 911 for gunshots and 911 hung up on them. Then, the police showed up a minute or two after my venturing outside, so I walked down the street on W 10th toward Starkweather. After walking to the corner at Starkweather, some blonde girl and her boyfriend said someone in their party had been robbed and shot at gunpoint. The ambulance came and left but I could not confirm that anyone was actually in it and I didn't really get the whole story of what really happened. Nevertheless she was screaming the neighborhood wasn't safe and the boyfriend said to leave them alone. Anyway, great to have moved into the city 2 weeks ago and experience this. Whats funny is the 4 police cruisers that showed up were gone within 30 minutes and I have been up for well over an hour and i haven't seen a police cruiser yet go down my street.

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The news stated that Mayor Jackson made a statement today (of course not appearing in person) stating that America's cities are being run over with organized crime? Does this guy even know what organized crime is? What is he referrring to- the italian mob? A bunch of young puns running around the city with guns and stealing cars is not organized crime. And the broad generalization about "American cities" and crime.. many are controlling their crime problem quite well.. all you have to look is 2 hours away in Pittsburgh to see what a difference leadership can make in what a city becomes...what a cop-out by the mayor. Seriously, is there any way we can get this guy out of office and get someone in there who will actually do something?

What's going on with Gospel press. Also, I have noticed that most of Tremont is very nice, but there seems to be some problem properties on Thurman St just north of Starkweather. These kids hang out there and the occasional vehicle will do a drive by on occasion. With residents of Tremont Point moving in soon, and with that being 51% subsidized rental (which seems aweful high to me- I can point to many hope VI projects that are on the brink of failure and reverting back to their world war II ancestors).

It may or may not be accurate, but we can certainly find out if no police officers were assigned duty to the WD the night of July 3rd. If it is true, then fingers need to be pointed.

About the Warehouse District Shooting from another board: Either what way, it's been proven 2 times over now that 4 of the people involved were NOT at Spy that night. The night was NOT an 18+ night for guys, so how a 17, 19, and 20 year old came out of spy bar baffles me. On top of that, it was proven that the cops took 25+ minutes after the initial phone call about the argument to get there. One guy stated that he called, and dispatch said cars were already on their way, yet 10 minutes later the cops were still not there when he heard the gun shots, then approx 10-15 minutes later, they finally showed up. After talking to the president of the CPPA, we have also learned that not a single officer was assigned to the warehouse district for patrol. Why would you NOT put any officers in the warehouse district on July 4th, that's bleep retarded. ____________________________ So apparently nobody in Cleveland decided to staff the WD with police on July 3rd night, not one. That is really dumb. Someone should lose their job.

Some more suggestions, 1. No more 18 and over nights. This is a no brainer and should have been implemented a long time ago. I don't know why anyone in city government thinks this is OK. 2. I notice that the hearing for SpyBar was postpond at request of legal council. This tactic simply buys time for the nuisance establishment to run longer, and is a popular tactic by liquor stores in the wAshington DC area. Judges need to recognize when there is a problem at hand and deny any request to postpone the hearing. I'm sure there was no good reason for postponing the hearing in the first place. 3. I simply have not been hearing the mayor address the crime issue in this city at all. Whenever there is a problem in Pittsburgh, the mayor always addresses it and attention is focused on problem areas. someone needs to kick him in the ass and tell him to wake up. At least if you can't do anything about it because you don't have the resources, at least make it look like you care for crying out loud!