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The City of Cheviot and Green Township are of course separate jurisdictions but functionally Cheviot is "downtown." I heard the story that "Bridgetown" does not refer to the former C&O railroad bridge, as the name predates the railroad. Instead, it is a corruption of "Brighton" or something like that which is of european origin.

Please keep them coming.

<img src="http://66.213.36.5/images/ndrive/Z000/Z00030/Z0003090.jpg> The Toledo & Indiana Railroad connected Toledo, Ohio with Holland, Wauseon, Stryker, and Bryan. Power station and repair shops were at Stryker, near the end of the line. It had 52 miles of track and ran along the New York Central Steam Road. Cars ran until 1939. Source: "Curved Side Cars built by Cincinnati Car Company", Wagner The Cincinnati Car Company, of course, is also gone.

MRNYC - I went from 1-9-2007 to 1-25-2007. I only ate at a few restaurants. In one of them, I took my shoes off, climbed a ladder, and sat on the floor at a low table on the upper story. It seemed that the food in restaurants was the same as that served on the street. The nicer restaurants serve water in glass bottles, instead of plastic ones. (You can't drink the tap water.) American chains such as Starbucks, McDonalds, DQ, and KFC are also represented. Thailand is considered 2nd world, or developing. There are 1st world areas and 3rd world areas. This photo set leaned a little 3rd world, in particular because of a few slum photos near the canal. The inhabitants were tribal people, probably immigrants from Myanmar, dressed in beautiful handmade clothing - sorry, I did not feel comfortable photographing the people. I went out of my way to get those shots, and most visitors aren't aware of that area. I asked around and found that it is not typical of Chaing Mai. I spent most of my time in the older areas of town. By contrast, there are large areas of Chiang Mai that were built in the last 20 years that look like typical American development. edale - Glad you liked the bathroom shots. I have more. And you should visit if you get the chance. The newer hotels have western style bathrooms.

^---- That landslide was said to be caused by the landlord placing material on the side of the hill for fill for a parking lot. Ironically, he did this because the city ordered him to provide off street parking. Also, the stone structure in the upper right corner was formerly a pier for the Belleview Hill inclined plane. This site already has a history of transit!

1. Bangkok Skyline (taken from cab) 2. Bangkok Hualampong Central Railroad Station 3. Bangkok 4. Bangkok 5. Bridge over Mae Kha Canal, Chiang Mai 6. Chiang Mai 7. Chiang Mai 8. Old Wall, Chiang Mai 9. Near Mae On 10. Crazy Horse Buttress near Mae On 11. Chiang Mai 12. San Pa Koi market, Chiang Mai 13. Chiang Mai 14. Chiang Mai 15. Chiang Mai 16. Chiang Mai 17. Chiang Mai 18. Chiang Mai 19. Walking Street Market, Chiang Mai 20. Walking Street Market, Chiang Mai 21. Tha Phae Gate, Chiang Mai 22. Mae Ping River, Chiang Mai 23. Chiang Mai 24. Railroad Station, Chiang Mai 25. Railroad Station, Chiang Mai 26. San Pa Koi Market, Chiang Mai 27. San Pa Koi Market, Chiang Mai 28. Chiang Mai 29. Chiang Mai 30. Night Bazaar, Chiang Mai 31. Chiang Mai 32. Chiang Mai 33. Chiang Mai 34. Chiang Mai 35. Chiang Mai 36. Chiang Mai 37. Construction worker, Chiang Mai 38. Central IT City, Chiang Mai 39. Chiang Mai 40. Chiang Mai 41. Chiang Mai 42. Doi Suthep 43. Doi Suthep 44. Doi Suthep 45. Doi Suthep 46. Doi Suthep 47. Doi Suthep 48. Doi Suthep 49. Chiang Mai 50. Chiang Mai 51. Chiang Mai 52. Chiang Mai 53. Chiang Mai 54. Chiang Mai 55. Along Mae Kha Canal, Chiang Mai 56. Along Mae Kha Canal, Chiang Mai 57. Chiang Mai 58. Chiang Mai 59. Along Mai Kha Canal, Chiang Mai 60. Chiang Mai 61. Chiang Mai 62. Tuk-tuk, Chiang Mai 63. Near Chiang Mai Gate, Chiang Mai 64. Chiang Mai 65. Chang Phuak Bus Station, Chiang Mai 66. Chiang Dao 67. Road to Chiang Dao Cave 68. Chiang Dao Cave 69. Road to Chiang Dao Cave 70. Chiang Dao 71. Chiang Dao 72. Chang Phuak Bus Station, Chiang Mai 73. Chiang Mai 74. Chiang Mai 75. Chiang Mai 76. Moat, Chiang Mai 77. Chiang Mai 78. Old Wall, Chiang Mai 79. Chiang Mai 80. Chiang Mai 81. Night Bazaar, Chiang Mai 82. Night Bazaar, Chiang Mai 83. Night Bazaar, Chiang Mai 84. Night Bazaar, Chiang Mai 85. Chiang Mai 86. Chiang Mai 87. Chiang Mai Zoo 88. View of Chiang Mai from Chiang Mai Zoo 89. Chiang Mai Zoo 90. Chiang Mai Zoo 91. Chiang Mai 92. Chiang Mai 93. Chiang Mai 94. Tha Phae Gate, Chiang Mai 95. Chiang Mai 96. Walking Street Market, Chiang Mai 97. Tha Phae Gate, Chiang Mai 98. Chiang Mai 99. Elephant Camp 100. Elephant Camp 101. Countryside 102. Karen Hill Tribe Village 103. Karen Hill Tribe Village 104. Plantation 105. Rice farm 106. Countryside 107. Roadside 108. Countryside 109. Roadside 110. Chiang Mai 111. Chiang Mai 112. Thai Opera, Chiang Mai 113. Chiang Mai 114. Chiang Mai 115. Chiang Mai 116. Bangkok Airport

Depending on how big your area is it may be just as easy to go there and map it yourself. Plus, you know that your map is up to date.

"Nice architecture, but where are the people?" Ok, I'm on my first international trip and I get it now. This place is like a time warp. If my camera and I make it back, you guys are going to see what Ohio cities used to look like, minus streetcars and plus cell phones. WELCOME TO ASIA! Sawatdee krap!

Riverviewer: I'm counting on you to win this. You already have three people who are willing to chip in. Just let us know what you need. I have a flatbed scanner. It will take a while to scan 2000 photos, though. I am planning to be away when the auction closes. Anyone else willing to chip in?

^---- Cincinnati has been studying streetcars ever since streetcars were invented! :-D Well, we have at least since the time that the uncompleted subway was built.

Found on eBay: 8 Volume set including about 2000 photos of Ohio cities and towns from about year 1900, published for the Ohio centennial. As of today the starting bid is $75. Search ebay item 260071490654 This would make a great addition to Urban Ohio. I would be willing to chip if someone from Urban Ohio could win this and scan the photos. Sorry, I will not be available when this auction closes.

^---Pansies. :-D "Politics makes me sick" - William Howard Taft

Keep 'em coming, C-Dawg. I enjoy them.

I had hoped that someone else would have a chance to get it first before Rob. :-D

^--- Cincinnati Cindersniffers? They have a mile and a half of 7" guage track, including a 17 foot high curving trestle through the pines, on a couple acres off of Indiana 1. The Cincinnati Zoo has a 2 foot guage train. Too bad they don't have steam, but the passenger cars are neat and the scenery is amazing. Rail Trivia: what do the green flags mean in Rob's first photo?

We bought less of it because Saudi Arabia made a decision to cut the extraction of oil and leave some of it in the ground. We bought less of it, not because we wanted to, but because we had to. We still bought all that was available to us. I agree with you that there is tremendous waste. Why drive a Chevy Suburban to the grocery store for a gallon of milk? The Suburban owner doesn't see it as waste, though. If he can afford it, why not? If I trade my gas guzzler for a bicycle, that just leaves more oil available for the Suburban owner. The gasoline that I "save" is not going to be available to me later, or to my grandkids. It's going to be consumed by someone else. That's the paradox of conservation. Essentially, everyone is dipping into the same barrel, until it's gone. If you choose not to dip into the barrel, good for you, but the barrel isn't going to last any longer. In the 1970's, energy consumption PER PERSON dropped across the board. Energy consumption IN TOTAL did not. In fact, we used about twice as much energy in 1980 as we did in 1960, despite more efficient cars, better insulated houses, and so on.

"Not entirely true. From the mid 1970's until the mid 1980's, the US economy grew while per-capita energy consumption dropped due to adoption of energy efficiency measures throughout the economy, more efficient cars, etc. Then the price of oil dropped, and we got wasteful again-- bought bigger cars, moved farther from work and bought bigger houses." And so it goes. It doesn't happen in a day. When the price of oil dropped, people bought bigger cars. That's the point. We use all of the oil available to us. Taken another way, the average car in 1970 got what, 10 mpg? If everyone bought more efficient cars that got 20 mpg, we should be able to save 50% of our oil use, right? Well, it didn't work that way. People bought more or bigger cars and drove more miles. More people starting driving, also, both because population increased and the proportion of people who owned cars increased. The point is this: more efficient cars do not change the volume of oil used, although they may deliver more miles for a given amount of oil. In the 1970's, oil use per person declined because it had to. Not only did we have less oil available, but we also had more people. The total economy may have grown because oil is not the only natural resource in our economy, although it is a very important one.

^--- Ha! I remember the big media blitz that announced the change. I hardly even remember SOHIO anymore.

“You use efficiency to stop demand growth,” he said. I don't think it's that simple. Say you switch to a more fuel efficient car, and you drive the same number of miles that you drove last year, and save 100 gallons. Your neighbor can then use that hundred gallons to take a trip to Yellowstone. Collectively, we use all of the oil available to us.

At first I thought they were going for all the courthouses, but it's just the counties.

I saw an interior photo of an old building that was converted into a climbing gym. I don't know the location. The cathedral ceiling made a good overhanging climbing wall, and the stained glass window on the end wall was preserved. That's one of the more unique building conversions that I am aware of, although there isn't that much of a market for climbing gyms. Typically, aren't old churches vacant because the neighborhoods have declined? If that's the case, it might be hard to find any economical conversion. I know of a really small one - a pioneer chapel - that is preserved and used only for a wedding or two each year.

^--- I don't agree with everything he says, but I think his point was that the more accessible local businesses are, the better the local economy is. A high speed motorway doesn't do anything for local business if people can't stop to shop. This could be an interstate with no access at all, or a local street with no parking. High speed and local access are conflicting items. You can't have both. The standard procedure of most DOT's has been to promote high speed at the cost of local access. Now, some DOT's, especially cities as opposed to states, are going the other way.

Compare this photo: <img src="http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/inkaelin/100_71221.jpg"> With this one: <img src="http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/otrfan1/West%20End/CincyMiscPan.jpg"> I'm not certain that the two photos were taken from the same spot or not. The railing obviously doesn't appear in the second photo. Anyway, there's another thing I noticed. The first photo shows some white marks on the columns, and also on the railing. Was that the high water mark? Perhaps the photo was taken when the water was on the way down. Or, maybe it is paint. The second photo shows blue paint at about the same place. Why is it there? Does it mark high water, or is it just reflective paint for traffic? But here is the really interesting thing. In the center of the second photo is a slanted concrete column thing with a steel track. I think that is part of the floodwall. During a flood, a gate made of steel beams would be placed inside that slanted track to keep the water out. I find it interesting to see that the gate reaches a little bit above the blue paint. Anybody know any more about this?

Photo 2. is the temporary causeway leading to the Suspension Bridge on the Kentucky side. I found another photo including the same building from a different angle.

Photo 1. Don't know, but possibly the Cincinnati riverfront Photo 2. Don't know. Photo 3. Eighth Street Viaduct. See Jake's site: http://www.cincinnati-transit.net/8thtour7.html Photo 4. Roebling Suspension Bridge from Cincinnati side. Photo 5. Roebling Suspension Bridge from Kentucky side. PHoto 6. Cincinnati Riverfront with CG&E building in foreground. The year is unquestionably 1937. The '37 flood was the highest in recorded history. The high water mark on the Roebling pier is enough to verify it. The buildings and automobiles match as well. Photo 1 shows an interesting boat. The lines seem to indicate an open water boat, as opposed to a river boat. The Coast Guard donated boats in 1937. I wonder if this was one of them. Fascinating photos! Thanks for sharing.