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Just want to throw this out there: If a deep tunnel is built, do the surface property owners need to be paid for property rights? Theoretically, a property owners boundaries extend down to the center of the earth. Unless the tunnel follows a path directly under a street right-of-way such as Vine Street, it will encroach on private property. The question is whether or not the surface property owners can claim a right that needs to be compensated. If they do, the cost of a tunnel could be increased not only because the owners need to be paid, but also because of the time-consuming title work and potential eminent domain court costs. Just like the Duke question, it doesn't matter how they do it in Oregon or any other state; a tunnel in Cincinnati would be governed by Ohio law. I'm not aware of any other deep transit tunnels in Ohio; there are railroad and utility tunnels that might provide some precedent.

I think the Kingsport Corridor study is the fifth study in the second row, beneath Metro Moves. Some consultant probably made a lot of money putting that binder together. I picked that binder out of a garbage can, which I guess says something about how it was accepted.

The Kingsport Corridor was a proposal from the 1990's to build Light Rail from the Greater Cincinnati airport (CVG) to Kings Island amusement park. It would have travelled on streets downtown, in an alignment not much different than part of the current streetcar loop.

I don't have time to search through 800+ pages of this thread. Anyone who has the time is welcome. I made a prediction that the streetcar would not open for revenue service before 1-1-2017. I think this was around 2012 that I posted this, but I can't remember for sure. I based my prediction on a 10-year schedule, starting with the 2007 feasibility schedule. Anyway, I was wrong, but not by much; I only missed by 4 months. This was YEARS ago, when others on this board were calling for 2015, 2014, 2013, etc. I also called the whole Duke Utility conflict before it happened. This issue added at least a year to the schedule. Duke won the lawsuit and there was hardly a peep about it on this board. I wasn't rooting for or against the streetcar; I just thought that the city made a mistake when the city assumed that Duke was going to pay to have the utilities moved. In Ohio, streetcars are UTILITIES and have essentially the same legal status as other utilities. The city can force Duke to move it's pipelines and wires for a road widening, but not for a streetcar project, because that's the law. You heard it here first, and some of you disagreed with me. I've also said on this board that I was never opposed to the streetcar, just skeptical of it. My very first impression of the 2007 feasibility study was that while this project would be politically challenging, this was a project that actually had a chance of being constructed, unlike Metro Moves, the Kingsport Corridor, the OASIS line, light rail to Dayton, and other such ideas that have been proposed from time to time. I feel like I offered a realistic viewpoint on certain issues, and I also learned a lot.

Throwback

Throwback! Oh, and, 8th and State if you're still with us, I hope you're not a betting man. Looks like the chances weren't as good as you thought. 30 days! Throwback! Oh, and, 8th and State if you're still with us, I hope you're not a betting man. Looks like the chances weren't as good as you thought. 30 days! Yes, I'm still here. I just saw this post today. There are a few folks on this board that entertain themselves by drawing lines on maps. I admit that I am one of them. I mentioned a possible route from Clifton and Ludlow along Clifton to Hughes Corner. I imagined a straight alignment in an exclusive right of way along the west side of Clifton Avenue, with a single rail vehicle moving back and fourth. The existing parking lane would either be eliminated or relocated about 12' east. I have often taken the 17 along this route. It is typically crowded, and stops at every bus stop. I think it is a good candidate for rail, so I mentioned it on this board. I was immediately criticized by several formers who were opposed. Why so? No, it didn't get built, because no one promoted it, but I still say that it would have been an easier route to construct, and a good starter route, with a very strong ridership. My question is, why are there so many haters on this board?

Nice work. I recognized each one of those scenes instantly, without the captions. :clap:

I think you answered your own question: financially, it doesn't make sense. :oops: There are lots of jobs in related fields such as city administration that you could grow into. You have a great start as a CPA.

I would talk to the owner before calling the city, as a courtesy. At least tell him that you are going to call the city so he isn't surprised.

Judging by the rendering, the problem might be that the structure juts out into the river side of the levee.

I enjoyed that a lot! Thank You!

I know that the transfer of funds is a big game, but in any case it isn't "free."

Thanks for posting! I really enjoyed that. :-)

It's the same time as Paddlefest. :|

Thanks for the photos. :-)

I remember those booths, and I also remember when the current streetscape was constructed. As far as I can tell, the Court Street Market was specifically designed with street vendors in mind, but there just aren't very many vendors.

It's hard to imagine a unified system as long as the funding comes from separate sources. Metro and Tank have only limited cooperation after all these years.

I noticed today that there are signs marking a "shared use path" for bicycles and pedestrians near the intersection of MLK and Jefferson. The path is a concrete sidewalk, and it crosses the streets at pedestrian crossings. Isn't riding on the sidewalk prohibited?

If there's ever a NKY streetcar, it should be green.

Northside to the river is not downtown Cincinnati. We already have bicycle lanes on most of Central Parkway, and they are getting a lot of use. The ramps across from Cincinnati State are not safe for bicyclists riding southbound, however.

I agree with Jake that separate bike lanes in downtown Cincinnati are unnecessary, and in fact make the traffic situation more confusing and more dangerous. In fact, downtown Cincinnati as it is now is one of the easiest places to ride in all of the Cincinnati metropolitan area.

Nice! Thanks for posting. :-)

I have never been inside one, but I assume that AT&T buildings don't have windows because they are full of telecom equipment. Must be nice to work in Florida. :wink:

Thanks for the tour. I've always wondered about the Cardinal, but have never been on it.

Am I the only one that's shocked and somewhat discouraged that the streetcar fare will be less than bus fare?