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The IX is also a non-union building and is able to compete by pricing itself under the downtown convention center.

Over in the Burke Lakefront Airport thread, I have expressed these same concerns should we close the airport and give to a developer. 450 acres = suburban gated community.

My guess is that since the DS bridge carries multiple federal/state routes, the funding was an all-or-nothing proposition. Now if we could just get the 17 axle dump trucks off the bridge and Huron, maybe they will last more than 4 years....

Unfortunately "temporary" in the city of Cleveland can mean anywhere from 6 months to 6 years. For instance, the "temporary" water lines that have been around Detroit and West Blvd for 6 months. The city dug up the sidewalks to install new lines, then just stopped..... Before this, there were constant water main breaks and steel plates in the road for years....

The Krenzler field site would work great for this...

I'm sure there is a loud voice from Valspar lifers to move to Minneapolis.

I'm sure the Mayor will get right on that after completing more fake interviews about his family matters....?

As a rider, I haven't really noticed. And once again, the fundamental design is there. They may make it look prettier, etc, but the core business has been designed and paid for. It works and people like it, for the most part.... The way I see it, they have to stroke off the investors by proving they can bring in other revenue streams (like Uber eats, Uber jetski, and whatever....)

What I don't understand about Uber/Lyft is, this tech should have long since been paid for. If you think about the apps, they haven't changed all that much since their inception, at least in terms of their core mission. Order ride, ride comes to be, pay for it via the app once dropped....

I've said it before upthread....we all know Burke isn't going to close anytime soon. Maybe the best way to play it is to have a little of both--keep the airport and put in a greenway for lake access around the outside perimeter. Bike/walking path along with benches to sit and watch the water (or airplanes landing). This would take some major lobbying of the FAA to pull it off, but not as much as it would take to close the airport entirely.

Columbus is also the center of state government in Ohio, which gives it a head start in attracting any statewide conventions, just like in Indianapolis, etc.

Look at the graph--it's 3200 feet at maximum takeoff weight, on a standard temperature day. On warmer days it would require more runway due to density altitude, but that's an entirely different discussion, and still not a factor at CLE. The point of this is discussion is silly anyway. You're never going to land a B767 at County, true. But the point of reliever airports is to take traffic away from the main airport. This means the Cleveland Clinic jets and rotary wing aircraft. University Hospitals and CPD helicopters. News organizations. GA and flight school aircraft. If you cut down on the clutter at the main airport, safety is increased for everyone.

It's been pretty well brutalized since 9/11/2001. Most conventions go to destinations like Orlando, NOLA and Vegas for weather and "extracurricular" activities. Others go to government centers (like Indy) or business centers (like NYC and Chicago) for reasons that suit their clientele. Cleveland would face an uphill battle competing against many of these, but I could see us getting some high-profile health care business if the Clinic got behind it.

I assure you Hopkins can handle any B767. If you extrapolate from that graph, at max takeoff weight it needs about 3,200 feet of runway to take off on a standard day. The longest at CLE is just under 10,000 feet.

Good thing we have plenty of parking lots to fill in before we worry about building high rises on an active port next to a building that is used 10-12 days a year. Who would want to live there? ?

In a way I'm glad it happened. It will chase away all the media blowing up their heads as "America's Team." No matter how much talent they have, they still have to put in the work and be humble. Now is that time.

One HUGE benefit that Burke has which County airport and others do not is it is not surrounded by an army of NIMBYs. It took County years to get a 500' runway extension pushed through. I'm not sure how Cleveland Trust and his Burke Lakefront grasslands proponents would convince all the very politically active residents around County, Lost Nation, etc to absorb all the traffic from Burke.

In Ohio, unlike most of the rest of earth, the rural residents have 40% of the population, but 60% of the representation....

If AB could have dressed today against the Steelers, it would seem that way even more!

You're leaving out all the Cleveland Clinic operations (both fixed and rotary wing). UH operations (rotary). Cleveland Police helicopters. Three major news organizations helicopters. And a host of other businesses operating out of there...

Go to Battery Park in Cleveland. Flats East Band (also in Cleveland). Developments that started decades ago, and still aren't fully finished. I'm not saying Burke could never be developed, but at our current pace it would be 150 years to ever get it filled in. So you'll never see it. That's why they're called "dreams." Until then, I prefer to work in the constraints of reality in Cleveland. Would love to see our acres of vacant land and parking lots fill in before we worry about Burke.

Ok we'll get 3 acres of suburban condos, and 447 of "parkland" that the city won't maintain.

With that kind of acreage given to any developer in Cleveland, my fear is Burke would become a suburban gated community, much like happened on the Buffalo waterfront:

Have a look at the current Lucas Oil Field schedule. http://www.lucasoilstadium.com/upcoming-events.aspx More than half the currently listed events are less than 10,000 people. Some are only 150 (anyone up for an Indy road trip for some wedding crashing!) I'm not saying I'd be 100% opposed to a retractable roof if the numbers worked out (sure a Final Four or even Big 10 championship in Cleveland would be great), but I feel like that ship has sailed until we get yet another new stadium. In the absence of this, the best lipstick on our pig lies on renovating the surroundings of the stadium. Build on mixed-use additions. A clever site plan could incorporate many of the bridge-from-downtown plans floating around these forums, and add in further restaurant, retail and meeting places, along with the much needed premium parking access.

One thing is certain--when you start seeing houses like these being crammed into a neighborhood, home values are good there!