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Buffalo had a good one also. Just google "mall brawl" and click on video or news. Tons of them. WTF is wrong with these kids today? We used to go to the mall and loiter....but never with the intention of going to jail!

At some point the community needs to say enough. Apparently this brawl started because one girl stepped on another's Air Jordon? This is the kind of stuff that feeds the stereotypes.

This route to me would make an obvious finalist for the proposed cable car system. Downtown to Ohio City over the river with a great view of downtown and the flats bridges. Perhaps design this into Phase II of the casino, should that ever happen.

Sure nuff. Speaking of which, I suppose once today's game is over we all need to grade Pettine. I'm interested to hear everyones thoughts on his first year.

Good problem. One that can be solved with a 5 story parking ramp topped with apartments and condos.

I suggest two things: 1. A thread dedicated to IKEA and it's merits in Cleveland. 2. Actually going to an IKEA, because there is no comparison to local furniture stores. It offers a much large selection of ALL home goods, including decorators items, curtains, etc. Furniture is only one component (which is also self-assemble, so once again not the same as local furniture competitors).

You're thinking about this from a Brown corporate angle. See it from the city of columbus angle---who are behind this. Its a first step. Columbus thinks of itself as the 'largest city in ohio'. In reality its a dull and boring city that is only larger in population because it annexed (by force) all of its suburbs in Franklin County. Don't be fooled--they'd love to steal the browns from CLE. This is an aggressive and provocative move by Columbus towards Cleveland. There is no way the Browns would EVER move to Columbus. I don't think the OSU machine would allow those dollars to be drained from the market. This is a win win for both the team and the city. The Browns improve their TV numbers and sell some merchandise. The City of Columbus gets some pro sports cred, along with the payroll taxes the Browns players would pay them when in camp. Don't think to much into this...it's actually good for the Browns.

Way too many Squeelers fans in the Dirty Y and Pennsyltucky boundry waters....

I was thinking the same thing. Any other big box store like Home Depot, Lowe's, Wal-Mart, etc. and everyone is screaming and hollering about sprawl, huge parking lots, and the little local store is being hurt. But when Ikea comes along it's viewed as miraculous. Perhaps because it is European that a lot of people see it as OK, but let's be honest, it is another big box store. I will certainly welcome it to the Cleveland market and have enjoyed my previous trip to the one in Pittsburgh, but I too am amused by all the hype. Its more than a big box store. People from Toledo won't drive to Cleveland to go to Home Depot, but they will make the trek for Ikea. It's a regional big box, only available in select markets. I've known girls that take overnight trips to Pittsburgh just to go to IKEA, and also have dinner, drinks, etc. This is great news for Cleveland.

It's just training camp. I'm sure the Browns are very interested in marketing the team in Columbus, and attracting potential TV revenue, merchandise and ticket sales. This is a good thing. Most NFL teams are doing it.

Yes, I agree with this 100 percent! This is the perfect location for a 500 footer, Where would another location be a good spot for a 500 footer? Obviously, at Public Square. But, beyond this, I would think at the old Hippodrome location. And on the Prospect side since it is close to Nucleus and would expand on the momentum in the area. Other ideas? I'd love to see one on that southwest corner of W3 and St Clair to start filling in warehouse lots and box in the Justice Center!

Many teams don't have training camp in there own city, but it's usually in a small town where they can focus with few big-city distractions (night clubs, casinos, strip bars, etc -- Columbus doesn't qualify since it has all that). So many teams practice in places like Latrobe, PA (Steelers), Bourbonnais, IL (Bears), Pittsford, NY (Bills), Cortland, NY (Jets) or the really bizarre one -- Oxnard, California (Cowboys)! It's also a very effective regional marketing tool. Sounds like the Browns are trying to win the battle of mid-ohio.

That's right. If you're going to be a baller and order expensive craft beer that tastes like nuts, fruits and berries, you better walk the walk! Those hip hop guys and their Dom and Remi Martin just talk the talk!

Serious question: did the people who would normally get tipped get paid a bonus for working these shows? I have known bar owners that do hip hop nights with outside promoters charge them extra rent so that they give their bartenders extra money for the night. Without it most of them would refuse to work. Why are the bar sales lower? Lots of pre-gaming? Its two fold. The sales tend to be lower because hip hop fans tend to smoke more than they drink ;) ;). And in reality, that community doesn't tip well. Call it a stereotype, but it's plain and simple. I've seen $200 bottles of Dom ordered and they'll leave the bartender a buck.

Serious question: did the people who would normally get tipped get paid a bonus for working these shows? I have known bar owners that do hip hop nights with outside promoters charge them extra rent so that they give their bartenders extra money for the night. Without it most of them would refuse to work.

From my time working at a concert club, I feel bad for hip-hop fans who go to live shows. They're some of the most expensive tickets (like double a comparably popular rock band), the performers usually show up waaaay late (one actually went to a Cavs game when he was supposed to be onstage), then they perform for maybe 45 minutes and they're done (average headliner rock band does a 60-90 minute set). Usually there is no stage show or setup, just a dj booth, and a bunch of idiots walking pointlessly around on stage. Come to think of it, they're awful tippers, so I don't really feel that sorry for them. My brother's lead singer works security at the Agora and this is what he says. Though he also says that Bone Thugs had a crowd consisting of 35 year old white guys on iPhones. Are the high prices a way to cut down on potential problems? Hip hop shows are usually put on by street promoters rather than the big players. They tend to not have insurance, and when they do, it's expensive. They also tend to overpay for the talent, so they have to charge high prices to try to cover the expenses.

The Albini article bears that out. Bands are getting paid much better for live shows than they used to. But there are less places hosting, and paying for, them. It used to be a way to get exposure, now it is something you do when you have it already. I don't know that bands are actually getting paid better, but they are getting paid. Which is something they aren't getting from record sales. So there's that.

So did I. There was a public meeting at Alcott months ago about this. Never were going to be townhomes. They require a variance so that they dont have to build 2 homes on that lot. The proposal is to have 2 homes, one facing each street, with a common wall. Thanks for the update Dean!

Interesting--I thought it was supposed to be town homes there.

Actually I remember reading from a neighborhood resident on Facebook that the BMW was stolen (from a family member) and he was texting and driving. At least he didn't go into oncoming traffic. Idiot.

Maybe he's just leaving town to avoid any further battles with council. ;)

This is a tragic, horrible case where both parties probably share some fault. I do encourage anyone questioning the outcome to ride along with a Cleveland Police officer on a routine shift. Bring on the cameras. Or maybe the use of cameras will become the opposite of what the supporters intend. Let the cameras let us see what they see, and how they are treated. Lots of completely out-of-control domestic situations. And kids with absolutely ZERO respect for authority. They have no parental influences, no one to teach them right from wrong. The cops often have to be parents to the parents, who themselves are barely out of their teen years. This isn't to say there aren't some Dbag cops or some sort of systemic trouble in the department. So I support bringing cameras to the CPD force--let's see reality it full color. Maybe this will bring change.

He showed up just after 1030am which from what I understand is typical for him. If the tema allows that, so be it. Not sure what time they're supposed to get there for home games. In any event, I wish everyone would stop following Johnny around and judging. If he was playing for the Cowboys or Texans, I'm sure this wouldn't be happening. We may end up making him hate this place. Hopefully he takes the mentality of, "I'm going to show these people how to play football, and live like a 21 year old at the same time. Maybe they'll shut up then!" Team is due at the stadium 2 hours prior to kickoff, according to Pettine in his press conference. (11 am vs Colts).

Very compelling piece. My favorite quote: “Modern man drives a mortgaged car over a bond-financed highway on credit card gas.”

I was at the game, sitting 50 yard line in the club seats. Perfect view to watch routes and passes. Hoyer was flat out TERRIBLE. He's lucky he didn't have more INTs because quite a few throws went to areas where only a Colt defender was near. It's Johnny time. We need to see what the kid can do, because "there's always next year...."