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If you look at the renderings they are leaving the archway as a memory of the church, and reusing materials. I still wonder if they couldn't put this developer together with the rock climbing people and have both?

This city wouldn't know TOD if it hit 'em square in the face. I neither believe this building was so located because of the HL nor that most people living there will use it... The complex will actually be a couple blocks from the UC Red Line station. Unfortunately, new station design closes off entry for potential riders coming from west of the station so that, without some kind of ped walkway over the crazy-busy Cedar-Carnegie-MLK junction, Rapid usage won't be feasible for One Univ Circle residents, even for 1-seat rides to Ohio City or the Airport. Still a long way to go. If this thing ever gets to the planning commission, its people like us that are tasked to make sure they try to bring that into it.

If it makes it to 28 stories I would have to think this would be the tallest. Anyone know the tower built 40 years ago as the last market-rate 20+ story? Must have been Reserve Square?

Great news...but man that stat is sad. First market-rate 20+ story in FORTY YEARS? Hopefully that stat will stay in the rearview mirror as that area continues to grow.

Austin and Columbus are both capitol cities with major universities with NCAA D1 teams. Not sure I see the comparison to Cleveland, where we have none of those attributes.

Yeah except there is PLENTY of available real estate within a high fly ball or a long field goal of either stadium. What needs to happen is that some of this money goes into a general economic development fund (think the Convention Center hotel) rather than directly into sports owners pockets. Yes! This is about ROI. We need to use our limited funds in the way that best aids growth and population stabilization. Stadium funding has been consistently shown to be a poor return on investment for public money. I disagree to a point. They needed to be built. What I have a problem with is a billionaire owner like Dan Gilbert giving the county an invoice rather than a rent check at the end of the year. Who signed these deals where the owners don't even have to supply their own light bulbs, etc? They are in federal prison now? So it's time to renegotiate the rent deals. And hire someone with expertise in these matters. Politicians make horrible negotiators, especially when they are starry-eyed gazing at pro athletes....

Yeah except there is PLENTY of available real estate within a high fly ball or a long field goal of either stadium. What needs to happen is that some of this money goes into a general economic development fund (think the Convention Center hotel) rather than directly into sports owners pockets.

Yeah. That's kind of the point Well then please see gottaplan's post on regressive taxation.

This is where our government will fail us, by not thinking outside the box. Why not put the two proposals together? Why not sit down with both developers and work out a solution that includes the Brickhaus and saves the church?

Wow the Brickhaus rendering looks impressive!

Just wanted to give the concert fans here a quick comparison using Pollstar.com. While not scientific (as in some shows may have yet to be announced), I looked at Cincinnati, vs Columbus (both arenas), vs Cleveland. Currently on the books for 2014: Cincinnati: US Bank Arena 5 shows Tue 04/08/14 Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band Fri 05/09/14 Mike Epps Fri 06/27/14 Bruno Mars Sun 08/03/14 "Jesus Christ Superstar Arena Spectacular" Wed 08/27/14 Austin Mahone Columbus: Schottenstein Center 4 shows Sun 04/13/14 Miley Cyrus Fri 04/18/14 Cirque du Soleil - "Michael Jackson: The Immortal" Sat 04/19/14 Cirque du Soleil - "Michael Jackson: The Immortal" Tue 04/29/14 Arcade Fire Fri 05/02/14 Casting Crown Columbus: Nationwide Arena 4 shows Tue 04/15/14 Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band Wed 04/30/14 Cher Wed 08/13/14 Katy Perry Sun 10/19/14 Fleetwood Mac Cleveland: Quicken Loans Arena 6 shows Fri 05/02/14 Cher Sun 05/18/14 Lady Gaga Sat 06/28/14 Bruno Mars Wed 07/09/14 "Walking With Dinosaurs" Sun 08/10/14 "Jesus Christ Superstar Arena Spectacular" Thu 08/14/14 Katy Perry As you can see, Cincinnati's little ole US Bank Arena is holding it's own. Of course if you invested $300 million in public dollars, you'd have that honeymoon year where they pay the Eagles to come play, and maybe a Billy Joel/Elton--marquis dates. But after that it settles down into the doldrums of concert market routing. What markets have we played, which ones do we need to play, and which ones can afford them.

It needed a makeover the day after it opened. They built it with the spirit of the old Garden in mind, and kept way too much of it!

From a technical standpoint a show the size of Wicked would not fit in all of them.

Just another reason why I can't believe mixed-use wasn't explored for the convention center hotel. 15 stories of condos on top of it would have been "propped up" by subsidies!

Correct, and also correct with your above statement that currently a fraction of the rush hour traffic uses the outside lanes due to fear of being pinned behind a bus.

Once construction is completed Clifton will continue to have 3 lanes each direction.

You can still use that response, just depends on your state of mind.

If we had to have suburban gas stations, why couldn't we keep the B-17's? http://hipspics.freewebspace.com/gas/gas.html

All we need is a new governor and a couple of these things and we can have the 3C corridor up and running by the time inter league play starts! http://www.wimp.com/traintrack/

Don't let this one fade away folks! It could be real! There is public money going into this and we should have a voice! Condos on top!

Good points. I love the standard Cleveland.com type attitudes that pervade about Detroit, like it's a ghost town or something. While downtown and the city proper have suffered, it's still a top 10 TV market in the US, with plenty of buying power.

Dang it's like I predicted the future! Now I wish it could be an additional 15 of residential! ;)

Ding ding ding ding. I refer you back to my original statement.

Welcome to government work. Your tax dollars in action. One day at a time....

You are so wrong. I agree. More connections will increase the development in Detroit Shoreway, and, more importantly in the area of Cudell between Clifton and Detroit (which has gone rapidly downhill over the last 15 years). Cleveland's biggest problem is it's lack of connected neighborhoods. Everything is a pocket of pioneers, started with a few tax abatements. We need these neighborhoods to fully connect if we ever want viable schools, etc again.