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City of Cleveland Parks & Rec employees: "Hold our beers!"

Drone footage of a 66R shuttle bus just isn't the same. The entire city needs to stand up and fight for this rail system. If we let it go, we'll never get it back in our lifetimes.

Of course it will. Other essentials will suffer however, like rent, food and tribal tattoos.

I will be in Europe the entire month. See you at the next one!

Apparently not for Robert Kraft...

This is from a few months ago but I just happened to see it in a Facebook post. I never did see it docked in Cleveland as mentioned...but hopefully this is going forward? NOAA ship to sonar map Detroit River and Lake Erie Ahoy Matey, there’s going to be a different kind of ship plying the waters of Lake Erie this spring with the arrival of a deep-water hydrographic survey vessel from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The 208-foot Thomas Jefferson is due to arrive in Cleveland next month to sonar map the lakebed between there and Detroit through the end of September, according to NOAA Commander Briana Welton Hillstrom. Hillstrom said only five to 15 per cent of the Great Lakes have been mapped to modern standards. The last time an NOAA ship with similar size and capability was on the Great Lakes occurred on Lake Huron in the early 1990s. https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/noaa-ship-to-sonar-map-detroit-river-and-lake-erie

Passenger aviation as we know it today did not exist as it was out of reach for the common man. The Southwest Airlines passengers of today were still cutting their toenails and being drunk and obnoxious on trains in '47.

I had a wonderful view from a bar patio in Mexico city....enhanced by Clase Azul!

I'm not sure any of our downtown streets would be smooth enough to safely host a F1 race?

In 1947 when Burke opened, aviation was still relatively new and exciting. Cleveland was the 7th largest city in the country, with nearly a million people in the city limits. We took some toxic landfill and invested in the future of what could be. in 2022 flying cars and drones are not far fetched... .they are within short term planning goals and shouldn't be left out of the equation. In 1947 Cleveland lead the way, and who's to say we shouldn't do so now? Sadly the crack you speak about was the product of decades of poor urban planning and policy. A golf course is easy. Planning for the future takes vision and guts. I only hope Cleveland still has some.

Once again hard to say depending on where the technology leads. But I doubt any of these new forms of transport would be replacing high-speed, fixed wing aircraft to cover long distances. In its current condition Burke could handle whatever the technology sends our way. If we get rid of it, then once again we are starting from scratch and have to do through years of FAA red tape to establish a new operational area.

Based on current FAA regulations regarding helicopters, in any urbanized area you can't just land wherever you want. Even medical helicopters get special clearance to establish a LZ on a highway etc for a medical trauma victim. So depending on how fast the technology moves with VTOL (Vertical take off/landing) cars and drones, we may still want established landing areas close to the city, as the FAA will take DECADES to change the FARs to adapt to this tech.

Yeah I was being somewhat flippant of course. I haven't hidden the fact that I am a pilot who uses the airport, and would love to see it developed into an asset that the City of Cleveland can use to compete. I just get this sense that as soon as Cleveland closes BKL, flying cars or uber drones will become viable and cities will be rushing to build close-in airports, while Cleveland has a golf course... 🤦‍♂️

Because why wouldn't we replace an "elitist airport" with a golf course and condos where poor kids from the city get to play on caddy day every third Tuesday in the summer? 😜 I suppose we could step it up and bring Trump in to put his name on the course. There would be something about a Trump course on landfill that would be on-brand.

I thought every east side upper class Jewish guy with a law degree from Case speaks in a southern accent from time to time?

Well the kids could have jumped cop cars, but they would have to leave their bikes and ATVs behind. Would have wiped out their inventory for the near term.

I always wanted to live in a building that looks like my pediatrician's office in Mentor circa 79.

The other thing to factor in here is boomerang voters who moved in from NYC and other liberal bastions for the pandemic. May not be enough to tip the scales in Ohio, but it could register. Are there any stats on GOP vs Dem ballots in this primary?

CPD could have napped hundreds of bikes and ATV's at once a few years ago. I was on the Main Ave bridge stuck behind them while they were blocking traffic were doing tricks. One of their guys fell and hurt himself so they all circled around to check on him. In the meantime I was on the phone with 911 saying you have hundreds of these ATVs all on the Main Ave bridge. Just block both ends and the kids will have no where to go. I must have been stuck there 10 minutes as they continued to block the bridge, and no patrol cars ever showed up.

I knew. But I also know Burke Lakefront is 19' lower at 584' MSL.

And Mandell did break from Trump and concede the election. If Vance loses in November surely it will be rigged.

The guys doing these stunts won't care about protected bike lanes either. These are lawless people unafraid of consequences because they know the police are either understaffed, or sitting on their hands due to union pushdown.

And then what? Call me pessimistic, but in a city that took 30+ years to develop a parking lot on it's main Public Square, I don't hold out much hope for 450 acres of toxic landfill behind the port break wall. I fear the worst that we'll end up with a "gated community" type development (Like Buffalo's waterfront). Or some cheap imitation of Chicago's Northerly Island with yet another concert venue, which ends up closing down another in a city that can't support multiple venues. In our Urban Ohio SIM City Cleveland, it will immediately be filled with 50 apartment towers, but we all know that isn't going to happen.. Mayor Daley got his urban park by bulldozing Meigs, but that is in a city with far less precious greenspace. Here in Cleveland we have acres of surface lots and entire urban prairies that have gone untouched. It really feels like target on Burke's back is fueled by populist ire about "Rich people in their private jets," but the replacement may only serve the same. In the meantime, Cleveland would lose an asset we have that other cities do not have, further hampering its efforts to return to early/mid 20th century glory.

I don't see this being spread around by anyone other than people in the burbs that already aren't riders and think that the Red Line is only used by criminals currently....

I mentioned this somewhere way up thread and it was greeted with mostly negative responses. I still think this is a great way to pump money into the rail system--put the jail out on the opportunity corridor with an indoor jail siding off the red line. Use dedicated cars for prisoners and a few more RTA operators get to keep their jobs.