Ronnie

There is always hope. Isn't there?

Islamic officials not giving up on mosque President of Islamic Society of Greater Dayton says that 'every option is on the table.' By Katherine Ullmer Staff Writer Saturday, January 12, 2008 SUGARCREEK TWP., Greene County — Surprised by Sugarcreek Twp.'s denial of their plans for a mosque and family and youth center, officials of the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton said Friday they will consider every option. "Every option is on the table," said Dr. Tarek Sabagh, president of the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton. "We are very reasonable, professional people. We could start from scratch, put the lot for sale and pursue other options. We could go back to the drawing board. We have to sit together as a board and try to make sense and see where the miscommunication happened," he said. On Thursday, the Sugarcreek Twp. Board of Zoning Appeals denied their conditional use request to build the mosque on South Alpha Bellbrook Road. Sabagh and architect Chris McCoy said it is too early to determine their next step. "We were surprised with the decision," Sabagh said. "We thought we worked in good faith with the township. They asked for a traffic study. They are the ones who put the criteria, who accepted the report. Then they had a second traffic study, only it was not a second study. They hired a second firm to criticize the first one." The ISGD paid for the first study but the taxpayers paid for the second one, he said. The ISGD was surprised by that presentation and said when the township asked them to do the traffic study in October, it delayed their application to the BZA until after the township trustees had passed a resolution in November creating conservation districts that require more open space. MORE: http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/11/ddn011208mosque.html

That is the same thing as Great American. Yea, I started thinking about that after I posted it and it is "Great American Insurance" on QCSII. I need to get out for a bit. LOL I'm assuming they are moving everyone out of their current building?

and soon to be American Financial Group! ;-)

Oh well heck yea! I'm all about trying different beers! Now I have some incentive! :-D

It really is a little self-righteous from them to do this. How many Cinci buildings actually have their name up top? Kroger, PNC, National City and 5/3? What others are there?

I'll see what I can do, night shots are hard to do with the original renderings. Now...ummm...what's an OTR??

Here's 1 more for your list... Roger Troutman-Zapp (Hamilton)

Alas Atlas, you are correct! I had to go back and do some digging and look at the renderings again. Good catch!

^---I've heard that. Not sure where..'

^---I do believe the one under construction now is the bigger of the two.

^---Isn't the first condo almost sold out? I thought they held construction until almost all units were sold? If that's the case, the 2nd would not be too far behind.

^---Well, even though Carew would still have a higher top floor, my guess is not by very much at all...maybe 8-10 feet. If QCSII is 86 feet taller than Carew, I could not imagine the tiara being more than 90 feet. Maybe 90-95? Even so, how you see the renderings is pretty much dead on to how the tiara will be in comparison to the rest of the structure.

^---Obviously, that offers the first real perspective we have of what QCSII compared to 303 Broadway will be and the differences between them become fairly noticeable. I can't wait till they come out with an updated model of this so everything matches!

Ask and ye shall receive!

^---I was going to head down to Cincinnati today and take some shots while I was there, but the weather is cruddy. Glad you posted this. This is just one of a three tower project, right?? This is going to be huge!

^---The reason I said "hmmm" above is because I question the decision to reject the zoning proposal in an area that is seeing massive new home construction and a new middle school and somewhat new high school not far from this location. 15 acres is not a lot compared to what is being developed in the Sugarcreek Twp area. I wonder if this may have been biased because of the Islamic nature in a predominately Catholic area? Thoughts anyone?

hmmm... Zoning request for proposed mosque in Greene County denied By Katherine Ullmer Staff Writer Friday, January 11, 2008 SUGARCREEK TWP., Greene County — A Lexington, Ky., architect was denied a conditional use and variance request that would allow the building of a mosque and family center in Sugarcreek Twp. Thursday night, the township's board of zoning appeals voted 5-0 to deny project architect Chris McCoy because of the adverse effect the project — whose area footprint would be 45,000 square feet — would have on the neighborhood and property values. The Islamic Society of Greater Dayton wants to build the mosque, which would accommodate up to 975 people, on 15 acres it owns on South Alpha-Bellbrook Road. The variance request asked the zoning board to revise the expiration time of the conditional use permit from one to three years, to allow time for fundraising and construction drawings. The EPA has expressed concerns about treating the sewage on the property, township Administrator Barry Tiffany said, because the closest gravity-fed sewer system is about 6,000 from the site. Any appeal would have to go to Greene County Common Pleas Court. MORE: http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/10/ddn011108mosque.html

^---If anyone has read the reader's comments on this story, it's horrible what is being said by many of the reader's on why the store is closing. This town has become so racially segregated, it sickens me! The same thing was said of the Gettysburg Kroger. The store was seriously losing profit and it ended up in a heated race battle. What is wrong with this town?? It seems whenever anything closes around here anymore, it always comes down to race when it has nothing to do with the closing of the store. The truth is that they (Meijer's) are opening a new store 2 miles up the road and the area cannot support two Meijer's in close proximity of each other, especially when you have a Walmart Supercenter in between them. Can people just shut up with the race issue for once and open their eyes? Companies are here to make a profit, end of story. They are not here to offer free handouts, lose money or lose goods. If they do, then thee store gets closed, rebuilt or moved. Wake up Dayton.

Dayton store used for upcoming feature film A film crew is using Basically British, an area specialty store, to shoot scenes for an upcoming feature film. By Dave Larsen Staff Writer Friday, January 11, 2008 DAYTON — On Wednesday night, Basically British became basically Hollywood. The imported food and gifts shop at 502 E. Third St. was the filming location for an independent feature being shot in Dayton and Cincinnati... http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/10/ddn011108film.html For pictures, go here... http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/10/ddn011108film.html

^---The buzz is there are a couple of peeps have scene the movie behind secure and closed doors. Even though they are reluctant to discuss movie details, the consensus is this movie is unlike anything ever seen on the big screen. Sounds good so far. Here's one pre-review (may contain spoilers). http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35236

Dayton Daily has a more detailed article about the opening along with job fair information... IKEA announces opening date Home furnishing store to hold job fair next week Thursday, January 10, 2008 Staff report Swedish home furnishings retailer IKEA announced today that its West Chester Twp. retail store will open 9 a.m. on Wednesday, March 12. The store will be the Swedish company's first store and restaurant destination in Ohio, sixth in the Midwest, and 34th in the United States. IKEA announced plans to build the 344,000-square-foot retail center in August 2006. Construction began in 2007, after West Chester Twp, Butler County and IKEA agreed to a partnership that split the estimated $2 million cost of infrastructure improvements around the site at the intersection of Muhlhauser and Allen roads. A ground breaking ceremony took place May 8. For more information on the job fair, go to ikea.com. View construction photo's here... http://www.daytondailynews.com/p/content/gen/sharedoh/photos_galleries/news/local/010708ikea.html http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/10/sns011008ikeaopen.html

Tenneco offered deal to run parts plant for Delphi > What do you think of this deal? By Thomas Gnau Staff Writer Thursday, January 10, 2008 KETTERING — Ohio and Kettering governments have offered Tenneco Inc. financial incentive packages to take over a local auto parts plant for bankrupt Delphi Corp. According to a resolution members of Kettering City Council passed this week, Tenneco Automotive Operating Co. is proposing to invest $35 million into the plant on Forrer Boulevard and the creation of 350 full-time jobs there. "They (Tenneco and Delphi) have not made an official announcement, but they're trying to get all their ducks in a row," Mark Schwieterman, Kettering city manager, said Thursday. ... http://www.daytondailynews.com/b/content/oh/story/business/2008/01/10/ddn011008tennecoweb.html#comments

Hearing set on plan to build Islamic mosque By Katherine Ullmer Staff Writer Thursday, January 10, 2008 SUGARCREEK TWP., Greene County — The Sugarcreek Twp. Board of Zoning Appeals will hold a public hearing at 7 p.m. Thursday in the cafeteria at Bellbrook Middle School, 3600 Feedwire Road, on a conditional use and variance request from the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton. The society plans to build a mosque that would accommodate up to 900 people on 15 acres of land it owns on South Alpha-Bellbrook Road. The variance request is to revise the expiration time of the conditional use permit from one to three years to allow time for fund-raising and construction drawings. For the conditional use to be granted the ISGD has to show the use will not adversely affect the neighborhood and that the use is compatible with the township's comprehensive development plan. MORE: http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/10/ddn011008mosqueweb.html

Then where are the gas powered lights at that Cincinnati is still supposed to have? If you do a Google search, much comes up on it, but really no reference to their whereabouts...