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And Toronto Exhibition Place plus its convention center. Plus Chicago's McCormick Place.

The Haslams believe they can get more than 9-10 events at a domed stadium per year. It's why they want a domed stadium and love the idea of it being connected to an international airport. Speaking of which, what hotel(s) are currently located at the airport?

There's some innuendo in here that Bedrock wants Sherwin-Williams' parking out of the way of the east end of the Tower City/Riverview parking because of....

Building a great future means admitting our mistakes of the past

Post office site appears too constrained to offer the amount of parking the Haslams want. I thought the land on the other side of the tracks could come into play and include a riverfront development, but either the Haslams didn't think of that or they did and found too many problems with it.

I encourage all to read this October 2014 article in the Cleveland Metropolitan Bar Journal by two local attorneys. The Public Trust Doctrine and Submerged Lake Erie Lands in Ohio By Joseph M. Saponaro & Keith H. Rake Lake Erie is arguably Ohio’s greatest natural resource and is vitally important to Ohio’s economy. Lake Erie provides water for drinking, commercial shipping, fishing, transportation and recreational activities. In addition, Lake Erie is the boundary line for more than 8,000 lakefront property owners in Ohio. Rights in and to the waters of Lake Erie and the underlying lake bed are restricted by the common law principle known as the “Public Trust Doctrine.” Essentially, the Public Trust Doctrine reserves rights in submerged lands for public use and enjoyment such as navigation, commerce, fishing and recreation, and use by littoral owners (the rights of owners of land abutting the Great Lakes are called “littoral rights” and the owners enjoying those littoral rights are “littoral owners”). Pursuant to the Submerged Land Act in 1953, 43 U.S.C.A. Ch. 29, title to submerged lands is owned by the federal government, which subsequently transfers the right to lease the submerged lands to the states that border the body of water. In Ohio, these rights are protected, determined, and enforced under Chapter 15 of the Ohio Revised Code, and in accordance with the tenets of the Public Trust Doctrine. Under the Public Trust Doctrine, the littoral owners have rights to reasonable use of the waters of Lake Erie in front of or flowing past their lands for any purpose incidental to the use and enjoyment of the waterfront land Lake Erie is arguably Ohio’s greatest natural resource and is vitally important to Ohio’s economy. Lake Erie provides water for drinking, commercial shipping, fishing, transportation and recreational activities. In addition, Lake Erie is the boundary line for more than 8,000 lakefront property owners in Ohio. Rights in and to the waters of Lake Erie and the underlying lake bed are restricted by the common law principle known as the “Public Trust Doctrine.” Essentially, the Public Trust Doctrine reserves rights in submerged lands for public use and enjoyment such as navigation, commerce, fishing and recreation, and use by littoral owners (the rights of owners of land abutting the Great Lakes are called “littoral rights” and the owners enjoying those littoral rights are “littoral owners”). I can't copy the PDF link on my phone so if you'd like to read more, please Google the article.

Wow. What a great article. 😁

Despite the bad-news headline, there's some intriguing stuff in the piece IMHO Sherwin-Williams HQ delayed into 2025 By Ken Prendergast / March 27, 2024 Sherwin-Williams’ headquarters construction management team had hoped to enclose its new 616-foot-tall office tower in Downtown Cleveland by spring. But with April right around the corner, the building has not yet reached that milestone. While delays are happening to a lot of building projects due to supply constraints, Sherwin-Williams has made sure its employees won’t be left out in the cold. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/03/27/sherwin-williams-hq-delayed-into-2025/

I do have a question however. What are these buildings??

While I would have loved to see the stadium be built on the Davenport Bluff on the northeast side of downtown, it sure sounds to me like this thing is going to Brook Park. My article yesterday sorts out the reasons why. And this is not on the Haslams -- if what they say is true that they are not considering a dome anywhere in Cleveland. That sounds like it's on the city because a roof means more costs to share with a private partner. A dome means more events, more spin-off development and more parking devoted to the stadium. And the Haslams want to control the revenue from all of it. That's not happening on the lakefront north of the tracks where no one can own land except the state or a state-chartered agency. The state even contends the city cannot own reclaimed land, let alone sell anything above it (air rights, condos, etc). Look at the city's lakefront plans versus what the Browns put out a couple years ago. One is revenue-rich. The other is public-space-rich. Where is all of the thousands of parking spaces? They're all gone except for what looks like a 1,000-space garage/multimodal station. I hear folks wonder how can Brook Park afford this if Cleveland can't. Browns can own the land in Brook Park. That's 176 acres vs leasing 50 on the lakefront or buying 50 at the post office site. Browns can own the stadium, the parking, the ballpark village, etc. Brook Park can tax-exempt it. They and the county can TIF the taxes they can't exempt. They can get a big chunk of dough from the state that will cover the non-Cuyahoga County users of the stadium. And the Haslams have wanted a deal similar to what they got for the Crew Stadium in Columbus. How much money did the city of Columbus put into the new Crew Stadium? ZERO. The Haslams were allowed to own everything and keep the money from everything. One last thing. The Haslams have an opportunity to do something no one else in the NFL can offer -- a football stadium and its ballpark village attached to an international airport. The NFL is the billionaires' boys club. These guys are show-offs and braggadocios. The Haslams want to be able to say they've got something no one else in the NFL has, to give tours of it, and talk about it with pride like I talk about my son.

The footprint of Key Tower (I'll even throw in the Marriott Key to add more parking) is 53,000 square feet or just over 1 acre. If turned into a surface parking lot, that could accommodate 177 cars. If that lot filled 100 percent and turned over a generous five times in one day, that's 885 cars at an average occupancy of 1.2 people per car or 1,062 people. The 1.5 million square foot Key Tower is 90+ percent full. At an average of about 200 square feet per office worker, that's 7,500 people. The 402-room Marriott, if filled to the 2023 downtown average of 60 percent with an average occupancy of two people per room, adds another 400 people. So you mean to tell me that your 1,062 people using free parking is better than the current 7,900 people (who make pretty good money BTW) in a couple of towers? Yes, you're wrong. I don't mean to take this off-topic. I hope this post will put a merciless end to this ridiculous discussion. Back to the Browns and where they will play.

You thought that was a wise comment to share with the world? At least your real name isn't on it.

I doubt many of their shareholders have ever set foot in Cleveland and if they had, they did so with the help of walkers and wheelchairs.

Are there concerns about too much noise at football games? Since when?? If a stadium reaches jet plane decibels, it's considered an achievement.

Part of it is strip mall. Part of it is a lifestyle center. But mostly it's a TON of parking.

Just a press release rewrite with some background added New Downtown Cleveland Clinic, Cavs center to see groundbreaking by year’s end By Ken Prendergast / March 26, 2024 Today, the Cleveland Cavaliers, Cleveland Clinic and Bedrock Real Estate revealed the first official renderings of the Cleveland Clinic Global Peak Performance Center. Pending city approvals, groundbreaking on the Cleveland Clinic Global Peak Performance Center is anticipated before the end of 2024. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/03/26/new-downtown-cleveland-clinic-cavs-center-to-see-groundbreaking-by-years-end/

Browns stadium likely going to Brook Park, if… By Ken Prendergast / March 26, 2024 NEOtrans has learned that the Cleveland Browns and their owners, the Haslam Sports Group, want several things from their stadium over the next 30 years that the City of Cleveland appears unwilling to give them. That includes a dome that adds another $1 billion-plus to the stadium’s cost and control over revenues from parking and a ballpark village development. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/03/26/browns-stadium-likely-going-to-brook-park-if/

Horrible news out of Baltimore. Multiple vehicles were on the bridge as were about seven construction workers when it collapsed. About 20 people missing.

But a cle.com article wasn't planted by the Browns to influence negotiations with the city of Cleveland? Got it.

Posted the news here.....

Cleveland Public Square’s continuing transformation By Ken Prendergast / March 25, 2024 Construction started today on the Group Plan Commission’s Superior Crossing Project with a ceremonial farewell to the unpopular and infamous concrete barriers that have stood on Public Square since its major reconstruction eight years ago. But for the next three months, that means some traffic reroutes, bus detours and transit stop relocations to learn. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/03/25/cleveland-public-squares-continuing-transformation/

They will all be infill stations. Need more lines and extensions of existing lines.

From what I've read, parking garages can last much longer if they're properly maintained, including ensuring good drainage and routinely adding sealant to prevent salt and water from getting into the concrete and the rebar. But we haven't been building parking garages for that long. I think the oldest one built in downtown Cleveland is the Rockefeller garage which was built in 1925. So we really don't know what salt/water does to buildings over a 100-plus-year timeline. Do oceanside communities qualify? Are they the same conditions?

One downtown garage down, more to go? By Ken Prendergast / March 24, 2024 It’s a tough time for Downtown Cleveland parking garages built in the 1950s and 1960s. Three of them in particular, each with just over 300 parking spaces or 966 total, are having a rough go of it. One already was demolished. Two others were closed due to their worsening condition. Many other downtown garages are of a similar age and may face financial and structural uncertainty in a weak office market. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/03/24/one-downtown-garage-down-more-to-go/

They still can. First, the project isn't dead. If it does fail to move forward, any unused TMUD awards can be re-awarded to other projects either in whole or in pieces. A TMUD winner doesn't get the credits until after the project is completed. Projects everywhere don't survive to construction. We just never hear about most of them. Larger developers have multiple projects in the works at a given time, knowing that maybe one of them will see construction. Anything worth doing is difficult to accomplish.