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Sounds fabulous. I am jealous.....

I would say the number is closer to 20,000 full-time. The large part-time population at CSU is tough to handicap. I would say that pretty that it would be safe to assume that about 90%-ish of CWRU, CCPM, CIM and CIA are full time. All numbers are from the university websites. CWRU = 10,000 CIM=450 CIA=500 CCPM=375 CSU=16,000(According to the website 8000 are part time) Meyers/Chancellor University- No idea but I'll say another 1000 based on their facilities. If you include the small privates in the burbs you add another 8000 students. JCU=3700 BW=4300 We still aren't even close to Columbus or Cincy within the city.

Ugh I used to get those when I worked at a prior company. While they couldn't legally make you donate...you had to donate, and they had a predetermined amount you had to give based on your title. They also loved the 'fair share' for annual donation to United Way. It was some crazy sh!t, too, like 1.8% of total salary. B!tch, please. Again, donating less got you a call from your manager explaining the importance of United way. I always did $26 annual donations, taken out as $1 per pay period. Wow.They try to make the PAC a big deal but most of the employees don't care. They get plenty done with the influence they have. As far as the United Way, I think I am up to $3 a week. I never realized that it is a racket everywhere else, too. (The arm twisting for collection, is the racket, not the United Way. So an executive has bragging rights in the Steam room at the CC. Awesome). We have a month long Harvest for Hunger drive which basically every floor raises money by selling food. There is something a little perverse about promoting guttony for hunger charity. BTW AJ how goes the new job?

Thanks for reviving this thread KJP. I like your new avatar. My current one is, of course, noted Ohian and Youngstownian Ed O'neil as "Al Bundy" from the long running TV show 'Married With Children'. It's a joke from a conversation I had on how sometimes I think if my life was given the sitcom treatment it would be something straight off of FOX in the early 90s like Married w/ or Malcom in the Middle. Of course it doesn't hurt that Ed is from Y-town.

Just got the solicitation for our PAC (Political Action Commmitee) at work in interoffice mail....

That's Oberlin's bread and butter! When I am talking undergrads, I want worker drone quality. People that businesses will hire. Engineering students, finance students, accounting students, IT majors...you get the idea. Gramyre, you bring up a good point about Ohio state school situation. Especially with schools like OU, Miami, Kent(to a degree) and BG. You really don't have the choice of staying there after graduation unless you really like delivering pizza. Historically the cities and their suburbs have sent kids to these schools and they come back home to work (or move out of state). I think that this conversation is a big chicken and egg discussion, because a larger university presence in Downtown CLE may not have resulted in any significant change in the regional economy but I think that it would have helped the city proper tremendously over the years.

Yeah I agree it's not a great traditional IPA.But there is something about that I love that kicks in on the second pint.Perhaps it's that I have such emotional connecion and associate it with goodtimes that's why it's one of my favorites.

Great conversation, got to go catch my car pool home. Jam, I think the main point I am trying to make is that for a metro area of a couple of million and a city pop of 500k, the combined 20k-25k ish students of CWRU, JCU and CSU isn't very big compared to C-Bus and Cincy.

jam, The whole point that we are trying to make is the 20,000 undergrads (well at least a portion of them) would become post grads in addition to the one's from JCU, CWRU, BW, etc... Unfortunately you can't play SIMCITY and plop and addition 10k-15k students into a city. My question is with regards to jobs, is Cleveland long or short on qualified (educated) workers? I have heard it both ways depending on if you are talking to a company that is hiring or if you are talking to somebody looking for a job.

TBideon, I wasn't critizing your comment, I was just talking about Cleveland in the collective sense. I probably could have spent more time wordsmithing that comment, sorry. It just a reference was Cleveland has a lot of "duh" decision/moments to overcome. Hence the refernce to the face palm, as in boy that was a stupid decision..... CDM, I agree the only reason that OSU has any connection today with Victorian Village is that OSU's influence have almost expanded that far south. Even into the late 90's when Victorian Village was pretty much gentrified that stretch between 10th and campus was a neglected, to say the least.

I think the sweet spot is the in the 7%-9% ABV range. Like a Brooklyn IPA....One of my favorites.

I agree that they don't create cities by them selves but I think in Cleveland's case the lack of a large university has hurt the city in attracting and retaining young professionals in sufficent numbers.

Why is there no face palm emoticons for statements like these? But we can't change the past, only shape the future.

Thanks C-Dawg for that write up on Toledo.

http://sf.eater.com/archives/2010/03/22/worlds_strongest_beer_at_toronado.php A write up on it. Looks like they are freezing it to remove the water. The same way that I do when I pop a bottle of home brew in the freezer for a quick chill and then forget about it.And then drink what pours out of the ice? Who knew? I was practicing Advanced brewing techniques....

How do they get the ABV so high? is it distilled? Or fortified?

I think CSU is on the right path. Keep growing, keep expanding and attracting residential students. Hell, rename and rebrand itself if needed. Cleveland's lack of large middle tier university has been a huge contribution to it's brain drain over the years.

The MELT crowd was by special invite for those who had gotten the MELT tattoos and I guess the rest were Matt's friends. I imagine the HSW crowd was probably their favorite patrons too. I know they shot the MELT segment at 10 AM on a Saturday which isn't even normal business hours. I am with Cory on the Polish boy, although I will probably wait a few days. The WSM looked great. As usual. Hot in CLE is DVR'd I will share my thoughts when I get to watch it. Willyboy, the crowd at MELT looked rough? Hipster, maybe, but rough? I loved how they kept filming the same 3 or 4 girls.

Man V Food FTW!

Here in Akron too. I am on the 10th floor so it probably was exaggerated...

I was at MELT in LW late on Friday night and they screwed up my friend's sandwich order. The rest of us only had beers or apps. The waitress said that the two computer systems are connected and they have been seeing bugs. She said one day last week they had orders sent to kitchens across town. Growing pains I guess. She said that Matt has basically been putting in 16 hour days getting the CH location up and running.

Good for the citizens of tremont. Below is an interesting series of comments from the CLE.com article . I have been wondering lately how the busting up of the mob in the 70's and 80's caused an increase in random street crime. "ecbeastor June 22, 2010 at 10:32AM Crime was lower 100 years ago because anyone who didn't look like you was beaten and never dared going into some other groups neighborhood. Just imagine a black or Puerto Rican trying to walk down Murray Hill & Mayfield in the 1950s or down Fleet & E 71st in the 1950s. They would have been chased out by grown men upon first sight. And it wasn't just racist attitudes either. Poor vagrants were also outcasted and forced onto the fringes of society living in shanty towns along the Cuyahoga river. People were much less accepting of what they considered undesirables and were very involved in violently extracting and repelling them from their neighborhoods. The U.S.A. wasn't some safe utopia 60 years ago and it there was no such thing as equality. Maybe we should get organized crime in Tremont to patrol the streets and keep all the thugs out. It worked 60 years ago in other neihborhoods so long as you turned a blind eye to the Mafia's crimes and you paid your protection money. redbrickbarn June 22, 2010 at 11:17AM That's how it works in Montreal. Lowest crime rate in North America. Montreal Mafia and Hell's Angels run the city. About 30 murders per year for 2.7 million people. And most of the murders are disagreements between them. Has little to do with the safety of the average citizen.

DVR is set....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas If you look at the top 50 MSAs no other non costal state besides Oh and MO have 2 metro areas in the top 50, with the 52nd being the million person cut-off. OH has 3, numbers 24-Cincy,26-CLE and 32-Col (Mo has 18-St.Louis and 29-KC). So it's no wonder that it's a foreign concept for most people that a flyover state had more than one city. Also East coasters have a serious issue realizing how far apart our cities are based on the proximity of DC, Baltimore. Philly and NYC to each other, so they tend to want to think that our cities are right next to each other. Weren't we talking about starting a thread about costal eltism in the media?

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