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amen! Finally a voice of reason.

mmm Jamaican Beef Pastries, I ate those everyday from the street vendors when I was there....yummy..

Major drama in the CBC household, apparently our Wii quit working this morning and we are going to have to ship it to nintendo to be fixed.

I can't really argue with that reasoning. It will be interesting to see what happens to Parma Hts and like suburbs. Although I would have like to see you invest your money in Lakewood :) Can I ask where you work. Just curious. I am just wondering how commuting factored into your decision. (And for the record I live in Lakewood, and commute to Akron. Although when I bought both of my houses I was working in downtown Cleveland. As I have posted on here before, that is a situation I hope to remedy))

MTS, that's a good point. I have gone from renter, duplex owner, Single family owner on a "desirable" street and now sometime realtor.com lurker for houses on Lake or Edgewater all within in the city limits of Lakewood.

I was just asking about the new house because it seems to be a very middle class suburbanite rite of passage. Grandparents move out of Cleveland proper bought a new house in Parma or Middleburg Hts, Parents built a new house in Strongsville or Westlake, our generation buy/ build a new house in Avon, Medina, etc. I live in Lakewood and I know we are know for high taxes, but honestly it just depresses the housing prices. Basically I have poked around and it seems that my tax bill really isn't much different than most of Cuyahoga county on a $/sqft of house and actually Avon too. I like where I am at and our housing prices seem to actually going up. Funny that you mention your kids having nobody to play with. It seems like the 50's and 60's burbs like Parma Hts are really suffering from the graying of the original residents. While the older inner rings like Lakewood and the Heights seem to have become pretty diversified age wise. Well good luck in Medina and I'll stay off my soapbox.

Bash? You've intentionally taken all the fun out of it! I know! That's why I included the bash. I have opened it up for symethetic comments for my desire to live in suburbia. Just curious, did the desire to have a "new' house have anything with the "suburban desire"?

(bash bash bash)

I am working from home today, he has been at it at least 2 hours already after they cleared everything last night!

Part of me thinks the lowball offer was a big FU to Cribbs agent and a message by Holmgren to back the F*** Up while I am trying to get a front office in place and choose a coach.

I say build around "the Sportsman" its only 14 ft wide or so. It has been at least five years since I have been in that place but all that I really remember is that everything smelled like smoke. I am not sure what happened after the smoking ban, but back then it didn't matter what the food tasted like becase it was over whelmed by the stale smoke. Mayor, I think you have a point there...

I believe if the reach a deal with the Sportsman the county/MMPI will now control that whole block.

LOL! Nice pics Ink as usual. My roommate from OU used to claim that the reason that barely any of the streets between Grandview and UA lined up was so the drunk Irish from Grandview would turn around when the they walked the wrong way home and not stumble into UA. He is an Irish guy from Grandview so it was a matter of pride for him.

First off, "Yay!" Jesus that was one heartbreaking ugly public bluff on MMPI and the County part. Don't they know that there are those of us who follow every little development and the crap they were throwing out there was giving us coronaries!

I have to admit I have not watched a new espisode of the Simpsons in years, and I used to love of it. I will catch FG or SP now and then. Both FG and SP can both make me say, "oh no they didn't go there!" but usually FG is for shock value alone, while SP has some knid of twisted point behind it, like Speilberg raping Indiana Jones last season. Brian is by far my favorite on FG, I just think I can relate to a boozehound with tail chasing tendenancies and huge artistic ambitions that he will never accomplish. Although he did finish his novel at one point. I don't want to know what that says about me. The gay Stewie jokes are funny but pure evil Stewie from season one who hell bent on killing Lois was a riot.

Why do I have a feeling this thread is going to end up locked?

Isn't the question really where is the balance between self segregation and forced diversity? People by nature want to live by similar people at some level. SHS96 touched upon it earlier in the thread, you used to have neighborhoods for separated by ethnicity/race and economic status (IE working class Italians, middleclass blacks, etc) , now it seems that we only have the big divisors left White/Black/Latino and Rich/Poor. And unfortunately because of development policy, school policy and aspects of racism, it has come down to city lines instead of neighborhood lines. Add the power of the developer/construction lobby and it's a lot easier for upper middle class whites to create new towns in the middle of cornfields for whatever reasons. (Not defending motivations, just stating facts) I really thinks the banking industry has a huge role in this shift to exurbia in the last 10 years. They thought,they knew what your new house on a cul-de-sac in Morningwood Meadows would be worth so they would loan you the full amount. However even if you are a "white male" with perfect credit try walking into a bank and making the case to lend you the cost of an existing house in the city/inner ring burb plus the cost of renovations. See hoops, get prepared to jump. It was a much riskier proposal, at least in Ohio (some of the boom spots on the coast might have been different) it was easier for most people to move to the exburbs if they wanted new/updated digs.

"White Harlem"!!! :-D obscure George Carlin reference for Morningside Heights...or maybe not so obscure...not sure.

I would love to know if "the talk" is going to be a two way street. If anybody can say to Mangini," Look you can't do it all, just coach and let me and the organization handle the rest." it would Holmgren after his stint as GM and coach in Seattle. I know that Mangini is a control freak (most headcoaches are)but I wonder if his desire to control everything in Cleveland partially came from having Brett Farve rammed down his throat with the Jets. I know that he agreed but when your GM and owner say we are getting Brett Favre, what are you going to do?

"Christine says she doesn't miss the many hues in L.A.'s population: "For me it's just the restaurants."" Wow! Who needs diversity when there is a PF Changs at the local mall!

I'll give it a read... Also a factor that I have never understood, a majority of white people have an expectation of any housing they own, or at least aspire to own needs to be shiny and new...

That's great news!

Me likes..

KJP, I reread this thread from front to back everytime it gets bumped. Thanks again. My friend that split his time growing up between his dad's and his mom's house in Youngstown, recently commented that her old neighborhood was like the "Wonder Years" TV show when he was a kid, now when he drives through it looks like Afghanistan. What is really sad is I imagine that there are several areas of China that now look like Youngstown did from 1940-1970...

(insert witty Johnny Cash reference here) Jackson looks clean and pretty well preserved.