Rabbit Hash

You're January 1988 rendering of the 41-story QCS. 1 million sq ft. The Transportation Building (307 E. 4th) was razed that September for construction that started almost exactly 30 years later. Sound familiar? Mods: I know this is OT so feel free to cross-post/move to the GAT/QCS thread.

Is that true? I don't think "mega-retailer" is Starbucks. Does it actually say that in the article?

So can we infer that there is some large development in the future for these combined parcels? Or do we have another Dennison situation on our hands?

Is there a height restriction in Cola? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Which was my earlier point. As far as what Travis just said...let's go for the gusto and road diet Central.

I think we have to consider how wide CPkwy is and the demographics of patrons. Some are older and a grade separated crossing is a safety issue, no? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

For retail: They passed on Starbucks. Hmm.

That's Nick Ian Emenhiser's (Twitter) work. Wow that guy must be a real moron.. :-o :shoot: LOL. I didn't make the connection. Whoops!

That's Nick Ian Emenhiser's (Twitter) work.

<Searches for the ignore button. I guess even with the streetcar finished and almost open for biz we still have to put up with the earthy stench that comes from living this close to the "coast". As if we can't hear the dog whistle arguments by now. :rollseyes I was just thinking...who's in charge of the launch party? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

^Eesh. Travis, we should have a project to ID the spots of key photos in those groups and go get 2016 versions. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Spare me. Almost 28,000 posts in this thread. We've covered this ground. Maybe some Cincinnatians just abhor rehashing the same old tired cliche'. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

^Seems good. Didn't most of us sniff out that this is probably a ploy to blockade Main as a future streetcar route?

True, but Portland just closed the streetcar stops last month. Bottom line on all rail systems: they are very expensive to build, operate and maintain. Look at DC. DC also just joined the ranks of streetcar cities in March. and? What's your point? There's only two potential ways you can go. Either they are worth it or they aren't? Please simply state your opinion on the matter so we can move on. Based on what you've already stated, I can guess where you're going... And you've already rehashed all the same arguments opponents have been making. 1. They're too slow 2. They're too expensive 3. Cincy is DIFFERENT/Not dense enough 4. Ridership will be too low 5. The streetcar won't pay for itself/make enough money from fares (a true classic) You've made all these statements without providing any bases for them. It's so frustrating to see this crap brought up every few pages again and again. the streetcar will not cover even a decent portion of its expenses. ^That's all I see when I read your posts and it just really makes anything else you type hard to consume. I'm still waiting to see how the Cincinnati State ramp will pay for itself as well as the final budget numbers for MLK since it's like, half finished. Maybe you could help with those instead of the completed streetcar loop.

I had an idea to make the Streetcar, Route 1 (the One for Fun) and Southbanks Shuttle all "Zone 0" and be $1 Two hours/$2 All day on all three circulator routes. Maybe in the future we can do that. Still makes me think what we can call this line instead of "the Streetcar". TBX-OTR Loop?

There's plenty of room on that lot to build a signature tower if they want to.

The decades of sprawl were driven by government policies -- local, state, federal. Willingness to buy suburban and exurban tract houses is not the same as demand for them. I realized this years ago when I was writing about suburbanites moving to new homes in old neighborhoods of Columbus. I heard people say they wanted now homes because they weren't handy enough for a fixer-upper, but their only options were new suburban tract homes or old fixer-uppers. Suburban policies demanded wide-lot, auto-oriented neighborhoods. For decades, the market failed to provide a range of alternatives. I'd be intensely interested in reading more of what you wrote. How do I get a copy? A couple of articles I wrote about 15 years ago when I was covering urban development for the Columbus Dispatch. I probably have a copy in my files somewhere, but it would be in the Dispatch archive (you either have to pay or get access at a library, however). It was during the original planning of Jeffrey Place, back when Joe Recchie and Concorde Capital were the developers -- probably 2001. Thanks UrbanSurfin[/member] I have access to newspapers.com I imagine it will be in there. Thanks again!

I must blindly drive by the fare box on I-75 every time I get on. Excuse me while I go dig up the income statements for 275. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not necessarily. Incumbent residents get preference in decisions for any zoning changes, so those who might want to move to an area into a denser development have essentially no say because "they don't live there." Such living is in demand, but supply isn't able to meet it, thus the only response is for prices to go up. That's what we're seeing. The decades of sprawl were driven by government policies -- local, state, federal. Willingness to buy suburban and exurban tract houses is not the same as demand for them. I realized this years ago when I was writing about suburbanites moving to new homes in old neighborhoods of Columbus. I heard people say they wanted now homes because they weren't handy enough for a fixer-upper, but their only options were new suburban tract homes or old fixer-uppers. Suburban policies demanded wide-lot, auto-oriented neighborhoods. For decades, the market failed to provide a range of alternatives. I'd be intensely interested in reading more of what you wrote. How do I get a copy?

I like the idea too but get squeamish at the idea of having a crossing so close to Roebling for no other reason than aesthetics.

Wow! He slayed that column! Awesome! And then there was that weird op ed by Jay Gilbert. I can't tell if it was serious or a lampoon. Apparently 92.5 gets a big chunk of their ad revenue from that family as well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I want one of those new Toyota "Camery's"!

Agreed. Third Street needs all the help it can get. Maybe some day we will have a full Michigan Avenue style wall along Third.

I got caught on a phone call. How'd it go?

Yep. And I think the Eastern Bypass is a foil. What I mean is there is no real intention of getting the Ohio portion built. NKY has wanted a real expressway connecting rural Campbell County and I-75/71 for a long time. That opens up 100,000 acres to suburban development. The Licking River Valley south of I-275 is the most scenic part of the Cincinnati area. They know they can get huge money for lots overlooking it. The dilemma of course is that the sound from this road and a big bridge over the Licking valley is going to mar the ambiance. And KY 536 isn't good enough??? I guess not. They want interstate grade to connect over to 27. And yes, those plans have been brewing since like the mid-1970s. No sooner than 275 being a sure thing they were already drawing lines on maps.