cincydrewinclifton

A.) cincinnati proper has not been shrinking anymore for almost a decade. it actually gained a small number since the 2000 census. B.) our metropolitan region (which is what you would take into considerationn for light rail) is growing at a steady pace...metropolitanly we're bigger even than columbus whose cosmopolitus is twice our size. And I read a study a while back that our density in the area is perfect for light rail. people here just like to live in the burbs and work in the city for some reason...I couldn't live out there in cookie cutter house land next to the walmarts and old people stores but hey to each their own...until they want to live in their geographical center (which needless to say is pretty well set)we'll need light rail to deal with our growing eastern corridor.

fuck them I wish just once the aclu would fight them for being racists and trying to support black supremacy. I mean whoever invested invested, and outside organizations should stay out of it. If the national association for the advancement of colored people thinks that having a hole in the ground is better for people or color than having something nice in the city they live in where everyone is welcomed to go then they're idiots. I don't understand people who keep that kind of crap going instead of getting along like most normal black and white people do nowadays.

why is it that everybody thinks picking a modern style and staying with it is a bad thing. personally I never understood why some of the buildings or neighborhoods considered the best modern architecture are some of the ugliest to the eye. I like the new banks (and its rectangles lol) and I'm glad it won't have some funky epcot center ball or something artistic and ugly like that or that it doesn't look like UC campus (ugly, though architecturally applauded) which I finally never have to stare at anymore now that I've graduated lol.

lol thats okay we can always hold to our image and build a tunnel to not use :-D

well actually alot of those things are dictatorial by definition. like the smoking ban which is the majority trying to impose itself on the minority and hopeully the courts will do their job and stop that from happening. if you want something like retail space...pay them more for the property and they'll cave, if you want a non smoking bar go to one or open your own. its nobodies business what a person does with their own business. people dump on the courts but one of their jobs. is to elimintate double standards from harming those who are in the minority. UC can put up or shut up on this project and so can the whiney non smokers who are too lazy to go 5 extra minutes to another bar so they have to ruin it for others.

okay nice joke but just so everybody is clear (I'm originally from laurelville about 15 minutes away) that last photo is NOT circleville lol. they don't have a skyline. don't make me photoshop a laurelville pic of skyscrapers. *snap*

alright hannity and colmes theres a cincy public school thread and a hamilton county jail thread elsewhere. can somebody please post something about the banks before ann coulter and al franken drive me crazy

see I've heard opinions both ways. I know that varies alot by city and just changes over time as well but considering the banks is at a GREAT location I'd think in this case it would pay to build up if you really wanted to utilize the full extent of the property in the long run but again thats just my opinion. I'll look for some numbers tonight and over the next couple days to see and post what I find.

yeah that sounds like the sensible route. but also maybe by being such a large project they can make more affordable units by building more units on a smaller plot of land (by building up) and attract the 20 and 30 somethings. I'd need cost of living statistics and property values etc to say for sure so I'm not stating this as fact but just out of general principle. If this were the case the banks wouldn't even need to advertise much to sell units, that spot already has visibility and appeal. plus I think some people in the area have a bad opinion of the back part of downtown near otr but this spot would break that stereotype because its up between the stadiums.

holy crap!!! with that many more people downtown the whole downtown would change soon after and become a virbant place where places stay open after 6 p.m. lol. that could be awesome.

I can see both 1012's and lesterlyles' points. > What are you expecting, a St. Louis Arch? Its not going to happen. Wrong, you need to remember that while cincinnati has a relatively small urban core our metropolitan polulation is on par with st louis and other such cities in the country (actually bigger than columbus's for example even though their inner city has more people) so we CAN pull off great things, don't sell us short because we need to learn to work as a region to do them. as for the complaints about kentucky getting things done I see no problem as they are a few hundred feet away from our downtown and their success is our success so I say GO newport/covington!!! (before anyone refutes this please don't answer by saying that we have differences...of course we do, we are in different states but that has legaladvantages as well as disadvantages to our greater cincinnati area development. they're as much a part of this great metro as we are). lets look at our entire downtown before we decide what should go at the banks as opposed to other areas. first of all their are plenty of surface lots and vacant buildings closer to the downtown residential populations than the offices so things like grocery stores and drug stores should be out of the question for the banks when if there comes a market for them there they will appear. those kind of suggestions are counterproductive for river front property. speaking of riverfront property >It's water. But it's not a beachfront, and it's not a huge lake that you can go sailing on. Well true but this weekend at don pablos I saw god knows how many people enjoying their boating excursions and tall stack certainly shows what sort of river culture can exist so its a little more than just water to be fair. a marina is a GREAT idea for the banks. But I totally agree that the stadiums do not maximize the appeal for the region or the country in that piece of real estate. MOST people are not avid enough sports fans to spend all of their money seeing continuous games. For example I hate baseball...lots of people I know do. I also see your point on the museum. I'd love to go as I haven't yet but I've never been to a museum I would want to go to time and time again, including the national holocaust museum for as educational as I feel it was when I was there a few years ago. although I still say a science and industry museum would be a great idea just for the record. but this DOES need to be an attraction on at least a regional level becasue 600-750 residents (as I understand the propsed residence on the banks to be) is not enough to support the level of retail that people want to put their and I certainly don't want some disney world looking shopping center on the river like "Easton" or "the greene" because those are suburban shopping centers that work in suburbia alone and would fail miserably leaving vacants store fronts on our downtown. the best way to approach this project is to make it as diverse as possible. it needs bars for the sports crowds after they leave the game...it needs shopping based on what residential and attractions bring to the riverfront but not shopping as an attraction because I'm sorry that a very suburban thing that urban cores cannot compete with....it would be like florence or mariemont trying to out skyscraper the inner city business district...never gonna happen. It needs something for everybody.

I never said it should be disneyland I just don't see why people would want to oversaturate the market with food places when that would just compete with the new fountain square restaurants. and theres a difference between disneyland and wanting something downtown at all which we don't really have. seriously think about it. if you want to get drunk you can go to main street...thats about it, and personally I'd just stay in clifton for that. unless you consider it fun to go grocery shopping at findlay market or ride a greyhound or play the "lets try to find parking during a business day" game that we all love so much why even go downtown? I understand that the banks has to be a mixed use space to function but its an opportunity to put things there that actually make people WANT to go downtown is all I mean. basically I just think that trying to build convenience to attract people or trying to build housing to attract business are both the wrong routes to go when trying to spark life back into the downtown and make it livable which I hope would be the whole point of the banks. I just don't think when there so much unused space (i.e. surface lots) downtown that we should put a minimall on our riverfront property.

no I agree I'm just not sure if skyline, and graeters and such warrant unique considering they're all around the tristate and nobody would venture downtown for them. they should be there but the banks needs more than just retail it needs things to do that you can't do anywhere else in the area if you tried.

I'm just being honest. everybody's solution to business today is "add retail" but why should we make our urban core more suburban by just making it one of 100 retail centers in the area. the whole point of a truly urban setting is to use their central location to attract people by offering what suburbia can't because their center of population isn't like ours. you can go anywhere and shop but things that wouldn't have enough business in sharonville or kenwood to succeed because nobody wants to drive there from florence is what the downtown needs. things that aren't feasible in the burbs that ARE feasible downtown to draw from the entire metropolitan population. I wouldn't go to ikea if it was at the banks because I could find better deals on the same thing in kenwood towne centre or rookwood commons. so frowny face all you want but even though some of my ideas are a little far fetched at least their not the "McTargetsonomabody works and fitch" solution to urbinization that just keeps failing cities time and time again.

why not build some kind of theme attraction like a theatre that shows classic movies instead of new ones. and don't say thats for "old people", I'm a 22 year old guy so if I think it sounds cool lots of other young people probably would too. I mean retail and food are great but who wants to come downtown to shop when they can go out their suburban door and have 10 times better shopping anyway already complete with a graeters, skyline, etc.?

oh jesus (no pun intended) thats just what we need. then maybe the nice people with the aborted fetus flag on their plane can open up shop next door. :bang: they should open up a gay bar on the banks just to get buress and his lackies going again. hehehehehe :evil:

yeah but theres a barnes and noble right across the bridge at the already established levee so maybe another chain. I hope they don't try to make this like a downtown version of millworks though (not bashing millworks AT ALL but you get my drift) I hope theres more than JUST shopping. it would be kind of cool if we had another museum beside the freedom center like some kind of anthropology museum or even something like a cosi. for the park portions we really need good art like millenium park in chicago has, maybe let daap students design it or somebody local like that. and personally I think there should be another fountain with the lady in a different pose. sort of like how we have at the corner of ludlow and clifton ave. it could become a kind of cross-city theme. and for god sakes no starbucks...please if a coffee shop goes in anywhere in this OR the fountain square project let it be carribou or even a private one just because seattle roast is disgustingly dark. they really need something the suburbs lack (which the suburbs definitely do not lack shopping) in order to make people frequent the banks.

GRRRRR why won't the 15th hurry up. I want a devloper announced so they can start talking about what they plan to put there. I thyink we need a hard rock on the banks. and a virgin mega store lol

its been a while since I posted anything on the entire site but I HAVE to chime in on this. That projects looks hideous. I hope they aren't going to emphasize retail there because if any of you have been to the levee lately it hasn't even managed to fill up its second floor so how are they going to attract retail to this horrid thing. (leaving aside the fact that building new retail or office space causes old spaces to fill up more too because that force is marginal in this instance.) as for the banks not having a view thats because kentucky doesn't have a skyline lol. its not supposed to have a view its supposed to be practical which it is. when I'm sitting at home thinking about whether to go to kenwood mall or the levee or florence etc I don't often stop and ask myself "what view am I in the mood for " nor would companies ask that about the office space they would be leasing for their employees. I sincerely hope this thing is some kind of practical joke. my other question is if it were to look anything like that where are the streets? would it cut into newport through traffic?

my boyfriend is actually co-oping for BHDP architecture and I think this is the building he was complaining about because he had to come up with ideas to meet the city and the firms ideas on the sidewalk . the city wants it to match the ones across the street but it would look ugly with the building lol. damn council and their wacky rules

does anybody have any new info on this project like photos or timeframes of completion? I'm very interested in phase 2 and it's success. thanks

dang, now that little batch of parking on the alley beside it will always be full. thats where I park when I go to kaldis. but I'm happy to see otr growing anyway, it's just a sacrifice I'll have to make :|

just to get in the spirit of this convo I've decided to smoke one while typing. If I allow people to smoke in my home thats fine right...if you don't like it stay out of my home, soooo if I own a business which allows smoking, stay the hell out of my business if you don't like it. most places have non smoking areas and there are plenty of spots to hit up that are non smoking otherwise I wouldn't always be frustrated when I go somewhere only to learn it's non smoking, trust me it does happen. and for the earlier comments about how people don't go out to smoke, that a bunch of hoo-y! If I just wanted to drink I'd do it with riends in a personal setting, people want to smoke when they go out to smoking establishments or they wouldn't go there.

shooot grrrl I loves me some ghetto. ghetto what mutha fucka, TRUUUST!!!

Hey you guys share some ohio neighborly lovin! OSU and UC are very distinct in their own ways. There two of the largest colleges in oio I believe holding the top two spots for number of enrollemnt. OSU is a very educationally innovative school and Cincinnati is a great place to take part in hands on learning (we innvented coop een) and a great research institution. and they're both developing quite well. let's positivley reinforce each other people! :D