MidwestChamp

^And before we talk about theoretical developments on Burke's land, there is PLENTY of underutilized property all around the port and airport that can be developed first. If you want to create the demand to move Burke, develop the areas around it first to create the demand. That's what makes me excited about current developments on East 9th street pier, and future phases/developments near the stadium and near Burke.

I guess I'm the only one that likes the new version more than the previous. The original design looks like an office building to me, not comfortable to live in. As someone earlier said it looks sterile like a Cleveland Clinic building. The latest design looks more residential...definitely to me looks like a more inviting place to live. With less emphasis on office and more housing units, this design switch makes sense to me.

Given what Kasich did to municipal taxes I'm surprised this didn't come sooner, and I'm surprised to learn that the city hasn't raised the municipal tax since 1981. Things have certainly gone up since then.

Exactly. If we never new about the original proposal, everyone would be excited that something of this scale, and this urban in design, were proposed for this "hole" in UC. Sure there still may be aesthetics discussions, but the general mood would be much more excited for this.

It's surprising (not really) that the Clinic would not remove the trees along Euclid, let the building have a greater presence on the street and position an entrance to the school across Euclid from the hospitals main entrance, since its right there.

^I agree. I think we all knew the Med Mart part of this was a questionable gamble that may or may not work but it was also the only way we were able to get a new CC built. Previous efforts to rebuild the CC failed for decades, and the MM promise of creating a center focused on medical trade shows pushed the idea over the hump to get it done. It was a gamble, but without the MM no new CC and thus new Hilton, new malls, new public square, RNC, etc. To me even if the MM fails at its intended mission I think the city won with this investment and the spin off it created.

Maybe attitudes are changing about the campus they build out on East 271. What are the chances Progressive would move back downtown? Granted they have multiple buildings in Mayfield Village, but they could move corporate back downtown. Banks seem to do this often, with a corporate presence downtown and operation centers in the burbs. Maybe Progressive can follow this model.

Wasn't concourse D designed for this to happen easily? I thought it was designed for conversion to mainline jets whenever that would be needed.

I was thinking this same thing when they closed D. Is there some reason they closed the newest concourse instead of keeping it open and closing one of the oldest ones for extensive rehab/rebuild? I know D was built for regional jets, but if I also remember correctly those gates were built in a way that they could be converted to mainline jets. Having most flights go through C and D, in addition to the current main terminal redo would seems to be a cost effective way to "modernize" the look of the airport using what we've already got for the time. Is there some reason this can't be done?

Very beautiful inside too. Was St. Joseph's Collinwood Elementary School when I went there in the '80's. Unique because the parish is actually in the basement of the school, which is why you see the large arched windows at ground level and the large ground level door at the corner. The school occupied the two floors above, and the gym addition. Every time I pass the school I want to go in and see what's become of the building and parish space. I'm just glad it's still a functioning school and looks to be well maintained.

We do have those kiosks on West 6th (just north of St Clair :wtf:). I wonder why they haven't spread further? Kiosks are also on East 12th between St. Clair and Lakeside, near the public utilities building. I do wish they would install them in more places. They are convenient to use, but I'll also say the city needs to keep them up. I know for a fact they let the one on the east side of 12th street remain broke for months, with just a piece of paper on it telling you to cross to the west side of the street to pay.

Wow...never knew that was a department store and it's practically at the end of my street! Guess I'm too young to remember the good ole days! :-P

Love looking at these old schedules' ads. Thomas J. Unik used to have ads on lower fan-o-gram at the base of the upper deck. We used to joke about the name, because from a distance it looked like "Thomas Junk." ... Also interesting is Shaker Rapid's promo of CTS' new quick/direct route to the airport, as well as the "shortcut" to the campuses and "Upper Euclid," via the "new" E. 34 station. Where was the Halle's in Shaker Square??? Never new the Shaker Square had a department store, but I can't picture where, the storefronts seem too small unless it was off the square in another building or it was a smaller boutique type store. Anyone know/remember this store?

^It's known Caesars was having financial troubles but I did not see that coming...at all.

^Wow that's pretty cool!

I'd guess that most people in the jails are actually being held awaiting trial. Most people who are convicted in county court and sentenced to jail time go to a state prison. So it is not simply a matter of bailiffs (actually, it is the Sheriff Deputies) driving convicted persons to jail. They have to escort the defendants to and from arraignments, plea hearings, pretrials, suppression hearings, trials, sentencings, etc. In the current JC, they do all that through a closed circuit system, straight from the jail into the courtroom. I would also disagree with the idea that jails don't add foot traffic. A lot of people generating foot traffic outside of the JC are those people going to visit family members and friends who are currently in jail or lawyers going to visit their clients for case prep. This is all true but correct me if I'm wrong but don't most cities separate the courts from the jail? How did we get along prior to the justice center? There was clearly no jail attached to the old county court house across the street. Is Cleveland unique in having one mega facility or are most other cities finding ways to separate these functions. I think we'd do better to move the jail and keep the courts downtown.

I think the solution is to separate the jail from the other facilities. Court houses and their associated offices are usually at the center of cities for all of the reasons listed above, and I understand the need for police headquarters to be near other government administration functions. So these functions should remain near the current facility. They generate a lot of foot traffic in the area, need access to transit and to law offices, and as a bonus court houses are historically designed with beautiful architecture (see old county and federal courthouses, maybe even the new federal courts tower...I've never been in it). However I think the actual county jail can be moved to the outskirts of downtown with little impact. The only inconvenience would be for bailiffs that would have to drive convicted persons to the jail rather than walk them there after their hearings. I would keep it near public transit lines, so that families can visit, post bail, and whatever other functions need to be accessed, but this does not need to be at the center of town, especially since jails do not add much foot traffic and are by design fortresses, walled off buildings that are the opposite of what you'd like to see in the city center.

The area of 18th and Superior is also a growing residential area. Lots of artists live in the Superior Avenue Loft district. Plus as someone noted Zaremba's Avenue District planned townhomes (I think I saw on this forum the designs just went to planning commission) are here as well.

I grew up in Glenville and remember my mom complaining about the quality of the meats and produce at the East Side Market. She tried going there a few times but soon was making the trek back to the West Side Market or out to the suburbs for our food. Seems like the current team that will operate the market will not make that same mistake and bring quality food to the area.

How many hotel rooms are needed for the APMA? My thinking is that while hotel rooms from Canton to Cleveland are "offered" for the republican convention, the ones further away in Akron/Canton will be less desirable than the ones downtown or closest to Cleveland. So with that said maybe this event be moved to, say the University of Akron's arena (which needs events apparently)...still close to Blossom Music Center as the tour needs according to the article but out of the main disruption area of the RNC. The question is can Akron's facility meet APMA's needs, and can enough hotel rooms be secured for them and the convention...but if we thought about this problem as Cleveland+ (throwback time) maybe we could make it work.

^I was definitely thinking the sponsorship would bring more than $1M to cover those expenses. Thanks for the dose of reality... :cry:

I'm guessing this has been discussed somewhere on these boards....I'd like to see the Waterfront Line just become a fare-free zone. It's already a losing-proposition, why not make it convenient for everyone and use it as a loss-leader marketing tool for both RTA and downtown? They could probably easily sell a corporate sponsorship to underwrite some of the cost (The Sherwin Williams Waterfront line, or the Horseshoe Line....). This was discussed in an RTA thread earlier this year: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,4504.10465.html Unfortunately, it would be hard to implement without other, bigger changes to the Light Rail payment routines. Despite the challenges of changing the WFL to a free zone, I do love the idea of finding a sponsor for the line itself. The money from the sponsorship can fund improvements / ongoing maintenance at the stations (at times a problem), extended service hours on weekends, and maybe even help with the cost of future rail car replacement, which I think someone mentioned will be needed within the next 10 or so years.

Beautiful pics. This is easily going to become one of my favorite buildings in the city.

Great, interesting photo set!

Looks similar to those developments from today, but I'd like to see historic pictures too. Remember Ink's post states this development opened in 1922, so unlike the flavor of the day lifestyle centers, this development was WAAAAYYY ahead of its time, predating America's fascination (and later abandonment) of the indoor mall. Beautiful neighborhood and development. As a Shaker Square resident in Cleveland, I've always wished the same upscale nature of Country Club Plaza existed here, because I see many similarities, especially the presence of both well designed historic retail and well designed historic multi-family structures.