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35 great photo's of Cleveland from 1973 in this cleveland.com photo gallery from today. Cleveland in the 1970s: A gritty city survives turbulent times (photos) 1 / 35 Dark clouds of smoke obscure the day in Cleveland, 1973. National Archives John Petkovic, The Plain Dealer Print Email John Petkovic, The Plain Dealer By John Petkovic, The Plain Dealer http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/03/cleveland_in_the_1970s_a_gritt.html#incart_gallery Edit: Article includes a couple of historic videos as well.

I'm hoping they'll at least paint them green. GoTribe is right they looked better in the rendering, so I'm praying that a paint job fades them into the ballpark...but that white or whatever sticks out in the worst possible way.

^Exactly. Someone should have thought that through and made sure that at least for this week the lights would be back on. The rush for the RNC should not compromise the experience other visitors receive...that would be very short sighted and most likely impact far more visitors that we're trying to showcase our city to.

Not a fan of the white, so I'm hoping that's just construction cover as KJP suggested or will be painted green as in the rendering TPH posted. Otherwise I'm willing to wait until it's finished to judge. This is definitely in line with that rendering, and the real test is how does it look and function when fans are there. Hopefully it provides the enhanced fan experience the Indians are promoting.

Wow first the power outage last night because of construction and now an explosion today...this is the worst timing possible for things like this to happen.

This was reported on channel 5. Apparently the outage is construction related. It's unclear if this were planned or not, but everything should be back to normal for tonight's games. Still not a good look for the city. Lights out downtown leave Cleveland dark before NCAA tournament Courtney Danser 6:13 AM, Mar 26, 2015 CLEVELAND - Lights are out in downtown Cleveland, leaving the city dark right before the NCAA tournament descends on Northeast Ohio. Street lights between Quicken Loans arena and Public Square aren't shining right now and Cleveland Public Power says it's because of the recent construction. http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/lights-out-downtown-leave-cleveland-dark-before-ncaa-tournament

This is a vast improvement over the current CMA maintenance shed that is so out of place in Rockefeller Park. Love how it's now hidden and the park will continue uninterrupted in this area. Cleveland Museum of Art plans new maintenance building plus improvements to 7 acres along Doan Brook Print Email Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer By Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer Follow on Twitter on March 26, 2015 at 9:20 AM, updated March 26, 2015 at 10:08 AM CLEVELAND, Ohio - A new maintenance building for the Cleveland Museum of Art may sound like a small and unglamorous project, but it's also a prelude to improvements on museum-controlled land along Doan Brook in the city's beloved Rockefeller Park. The museum has announced it will add a new, $2 million maintenance facility alongside its new West Wing and demolish an aging and ugly maintenance building it now uses along Doan Brook east of Martin Luther King Jr. Drive. After the new facility is finished at the end of the year, the museum will embark on fresh landscaping for the site occupied by the older building, a 7.5-acre swath of land along the brook, downhill and west of the museum. http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/03/cleveland_museum_of_art_plans.html#incart_river

Follow up on cleveland.com about the IX Center and CCC's relationship with each other. I-X Center, new Cleveland Convention Center aren't competitors, officials say Print Email Susan Glaser, The Plain Dealer By Susan Glaser, The Plain Dealer Email the author | Follow on Twitter on March 26, 2015 at 9:40 AM CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Cleveland Convention Center and the I-X Center are complementary - not competing - facilities. That's according to officials at both centers. In response to several stories about the new Cleveland Convention Center that published earlier this week on Cleveland,com, several readers inquired about the relationship between the new facility and the International Exhibition Center, the massive former tank plant near Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. "Is the Convention Center trying to put the I-X Center out of business?" asked one reader. Do the two facilities ever cooperate? asked another. The answers: no and yes. http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2015/03/i-x_center_new_cleveland_conve.html#incart_river

^ from this article above: http://ksn.com/2015/03/23/wsu-fans-looking-to-travel-to-cleveland-several-options-can-get-you-there/ "Many Shocker fans are looking to follow there team on their run through the tournament. Bamelia Edwards just returned from Omaha Monday morning. She says she will be back out on the road Wednesday evening, as her and her husband make the drive to Cleveland. “We’re going to enjoy Cleveland, we’ve never been there before, but I’ve heard great things about Cleveland,” said Edwards." Great to hear that people who've never been here have heard good things and are excited to come!

Some of those shows would have space issues at the downtown center, no? I couldn't see the auto, boat or home & garden shows fitting into their current footprints downtown. And then there's the issue of labor costs. The IX Center is non union and can compete below any price structure the convention center presents because they are tied down by union contracts. They certainly would have space issues. I went to this year's auto show and I heard a statistic there from one of the auto reps that Cleveland's show is the 3rd largest in North America in terms of SQFT. Went to the Pittsburgh show a few years ago and while it being downtown was definitely nice, the show itself pales when compared to ours...no test drive tracks (we had like 6 this year), no historic car section...felt very crammed into that space.

There is a significant difference between the types of shows/events that go to the IX Center versus the CCC. The IX Center gets the shows that draw local attendance and don't need hotel rooms close by. The CCC should hold events that draw attendees from out-of-town and therefore access to hotel rooms is a priority. I believe the article is focusing on the events that draw the out-of-town crowd and that's why the IX Center was not part of the discussion. This is true but I'm sure the # of events and attendance figures for the convention centers in the other cities in the study include things like auto, boat and home and garden shows because those events happen at their downtown centers (unless I missed something in the article). To me unless those events are removed from their attendance and # of meetings figures, than I don't think they are comparing apples to apples unless a note is included that the CCC is intentionally designed as a smaller center because of the presence of the IX Center in our region. I remember conversations that these centers would complement each other and not compete, so it really is a different set up than in Pitt, Columbus or Indy.

Yes I'm definitely thinking something more than the bike way that really is just signage along a pot hole filled N Marginal Road. Fortunately there is a TLCI planning process going on right now to improve the Marginal Roads from East 9th out to Gordon Park, transforming them more into greenways.

^I agree 100% It would be challenging to get right but if we did the results could be great. Can you imagine if the greenway from FEB to Rockefeller Park included viewing platforms along the way where people could not only view downtown but also view the river and the lake, watching boats floating by, ore boats at the port, planes landing at Burke...its a pretty unique setting that I think would draw people to the area.

Is there data showing this? Do people pay more to live at Quay 55 than on Euclid Ave? I personally would rather live near restaurants, retail and nightlife than on the lake, even with the upgraded view. That's not even close to being the same. Come on now. I know u can do better than that. Over at Quay 55 there's Quay and nothing else. I'm borderline stunned that it's even controversial that people want to live off the water and willing to pay a premium to do it. I didn't think that was earth shattering news. And just because you would prefer something else doesn't make my point any less valid. People get so caught up in what they want and can't see the forest from the trees. If they build some residences now, it would be pretty similar. The residents would be down there on an island, with a great view, and pain in the arse traffic 10 days a year, but not much else. That's all I was getting to. Questioning the "stupid amounts" of money. I disagree. I think the residents down here could be some of the most connected in the area...AND have great waterfront living. First, Pace's plan does call for restaurants and some retail, so this won't be an island. Second, if residents want more action, they are one Waterfront line stop away from the new FEB action and it's only 2 more stops to Tower City for access to the new Public Square and East 4th, plus walkway to the Q, and Pro Field... I think StrapHanger makes a good point. FEB offers both amenities and waterfront living, but the Pace development is really not that far away. Not really walkable because of the port, but it's only one rapid stop to FEB. What if a sliver of port land were carved out to create a pleasent pedestrian greenway between FEB and the harbor area. That would be a great benefit to this whole area. Especially with the Waterfront line right there connecting it all.

Looking at that pic the side and back a$$ of this building is just terrible.

Correct, but that you can still see the Lakeside Avenue facade was my point, and from that angle you can see there's a sizable setback for a rooftop garden/patio. However the picture you posted shows this point even more clearly. Edit: Nevermind. Looking more closely at your pic I see the area that's now flush that everyone else is talking about.

I'm getting more and more excited about this riverfront development. Can't wait until it's completed, the boardwalk is open and the water taxis are running again!

Unless I'm missing something, to me looking at this pic and the rendering it seems like the setback on the Lakeside facade is there, with the raised area for the meeting rooms sitting back.

I think it'd be more of a bummer if it actually was made of stone and we tore it down (wouldn't have put it past us to do that...) Edit: Also, I always thought the arc was erected in 1896 for the centennial of the city, not for the county. The picture seems to be a bit older than 1910 as well based upon the streetcar. I'd also heard it was for the city's centennial, and that it definitely was temporary. If only that arch and that Great Lakes Fair bridge to the lakefront weren't "temporary!" :cry:

Some great historic photos of the square in the PD today. Here's the slideshow...pic #20 is awesome...love the holiday light pole decorations and even the "modern" streetlights they were using on Euclid at the time. http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/03/public_square_flashback_a_look.html#incart_gallery

I'm not sure of max capacity but I was there this past summer during the AHA light installation and gay games last summer and the slope was packed after the opening ceremonies.

I think that Wendy's had seating in the lower level too to accommodate larger crowds, a setup I've seen in other cities but that's the only one like that I can remember in Cleveland.

... but an enclosed, temp-controlled environment is an absolute must; preferably considerable space and seating. STJ has an enclosed, climate-controlled waiting area. It is very small, however, and lacks waiting space for surges of passengers. Since most of the Amtrak trains are scheduled to show up within a few hours of each other (and sometimes even more closely together), that station sometimes has 200 people jammed into its waiting room. It's even more crowded during the holidays. ...and Greyhound can get very packed during peak times with numerous bus departures and arrivals, and they currently have a pretty large / open waiting space in their current facility. I wonder if there is any layover between Greyhound and Amtrak peak times? These two users plus Megabus, RTA buses and trains and other regional transit agencies and this facility at the very least needs a sizable waiting area and preferably a cafe to serve those waiting for transfers.

I like Blues Brewhouse and think they can create a mini museum to highlight that part of the franchise's history. I certainly didn't know that until I read it today.

That's a sobering assessment KJP. Given your thoughts on this will the multimodal transit hub at least be more interesting than the current Amtrak station? I view that current station as just a climate controlled waiting room and nothing more...just as you described...and that seems to be your assessment of the multimodal center given the funding level proposed. If so I think a real opportunity is missed to create a unique gateway to the city, even if that means finding more money for this project.