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i agree. you only demo. as an absolute last resort. yes this development is very important to OTR but there has to be a creative solution.

thought that last picture was colday for a minute. the mannerisms certainly match.

im sure it looks nice from far away. but big deal. that site plan and building orientation leaves little to be desired. might as well be in the 'burbs. seems we never learn how to make a quality urban environment. you certainly dont get there by buildings things that only look good a mile away.

**gasp** that video is shocking. So ignorant its sad. He clearly doesn't get the fundamental basis of the streetcar: its for people who want to live in otr and downtown, not for suburbanites to drive down and shop at findlay. The streetcar makes it more economically feasible to grow the residential base. I know I am preaching to the choir here but it needs to be stated again and again and again apparently because for people like bill cunningham, apparently it needs to be said again and again and again until it sinks in.

Date? Details?

either way. congrats on the grassroots effort. it really goes to show the power of an amazing place like OTR to unite people behind something. love it.

well its past 5 and OTR is still atop the list. guess we just have to wait for something official now.

Looks like OTR is back in 1st. woo.

i'm sure fargo, n.d. did something, at some time, that cleveland could draw from. There has to be SOMETHING. Lets talk about those parallels too since this thread is all about picking two random cities and seeing how they are parallel.

from a pedestrian perspective, its all about urban canyons, mix of uses and people on the sidewalks. Center City in Philly provides a good example. Chestnut, Sansom and Walnut all feel more 'big city' than Market, JFK, and Arch. This is due to the first three's narrow ROW, high building and continuous building walls (no modern skyscrapers though, just mid-rise), narrow building footprints and a mix of uses that create that active 'buzz' and of course, people everywhere! Market, JFK, and Arch all feature th city's skyscrapers and yet feel more 'open' due to larger ROW's and odd plazas from the skyscrapers and less 'urban' and thus, to me, don't feel as big city. Now when you get tall skyscrapers on narrow streets ala NYC, then you have a true blue big city feel.

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Yea I can see the comparison but I am not much a fan of MGMT but I am loving Foster the People so far. I also love Helena Beat, I Would Do Anything For You, Life On The Nickel. Really, I like the whole album.

And of course. Robyn!!

I love her too. So good! I'm into Foster the People and Friendly Fires right now. They both came out with new music lately. Foster the People: Foster The People - Houdini [HD] Friendly Fires:

goodness. THIS thread again. I do miss my UO greece companions. Randy is now living in Seoul, Brian in NYC, and me in Philly. We're growing up too fast. :cry:

oh. my. god. that is a TERRIBLE site plan. thats the first time i've seen such a plan. It is just so bad. Who comes up with this shit? This cannot happen.

exactly. its almost like saying... "well Elkhart's downtown is experiencing a turn around...I wonder what that city can learn from Cleveland?" Why Cleveland, why not...oh I don't know...Fort Wayne or Muncie or what have you? All I was saying is many cities experienced a turn around in the early 90's. Choosing Philly as a point of comparison seems random. IMO.

Is 26 too old? Damnit. Knew I should've moved to the East Coast right after I graduated.

I just just moved to Philly about 10 days ago. Philly's Center City has the 3rd highest downtown population of any city in the nation (behind NY and Chi.) so to compare Cleveland to Philly in this regard is doing Philly a bit of an injustice. Simpy put, the vibrancy in Center City is remarkable and like ColDay said, it is fairly seamless as if flows into surrounding areas, although parts of the CBD do die after 5pm. As far as other Philly areas, I live in Northern Liberties, the 'hood just north of DT Philly. It is very up and coming but still gritty in parts. It is seeing a ton of infill - some good, some really good, and some quite unfortunate. I have only been here 10 days though so my knowledge of the area is limited. But with time... And hey MTS, when you're in Philly get at me - we can talk about our long lost favorite thread. :)

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Although Pittsburgh is in Appalachia the Pittsburgh region is not rural Appalachia - its similar to every other metro in the region. To say that there are some cultural things you have to account for in Pittsburgh with regard to it being in Appalachia is quite misleading. It's not Pikeville, Kentucky. I never suggested it was rural, but I disagree with the rest of your post. There are culturakl differences you have to account for when deciding which side of Cleveland, or Cincy, to settle down on. Certainly, there are cultural differences between Pitt and Cleveland. I know but what I said was that cultural difference isn't infused with Appalachian heritage like you suggested.

Although Pittsburgh is in Appalachia the Pittsburgh region is not rural Appalachia - its similar to every other metro in the region. To say that there are some cultural things you have to account for in Pittsburgh with regard to it being in Appalachia is quite misleading. It's not Pikeville, Kentucky.

Pittsburgh. Hands down. More vibrant and more aesthetically pleasing. Plus the hills and the associated urban geography is very interesting and beautiful.

To visually see which census tracts grew and which did not in the 3C's, check out this link: http://urban-out.com/2011/03/24/ohio-cities-see-downtown-populations-boom/

I agree with JSkinner, we need more DIVERSITY in street signs. The ones now are too homogenous and bland and small IMO.