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Thats fine, I too am glad they are leading the way in the midwest in these types of development, but thats not the issue. we can disagree. I dont know if you use the cultural trail frequently or not, but as a frequent user this past summer, my opinion is that it could have been designed better to keep pedestrians out of the way of bicyclists and vice versa. From a user's standpoint, thats all I am saying.

Thats where we differ. They both, IMHO, boring with no energy. Well I don't completely agree with this. Columbus has some great 'hoods that are vibrant and energetic...for Ohio anyway.

Ding, ding, ding! No more calls, we have a winner! Couldn't agree more.

I think its great they were willing to dedicate roadway for some great bicycle space. Not just a line down the road. Several major planning and urban publications have called this project one of the best pedestrian/bike developments in North America. I am kind of surprised from a planning stand point that you would not find such a focus on the pedestrian and bicyclist great. I guess those that like to ride next to traffic on their bikes will have plenty of chances as they work on 200 miles of on street bike lanes that they just announced. I agree with Randy on this one. I used the cultural trail almst everyday this summer and I can assure you it was annoying and unsafe that pedestrians seemed hell bent on walking in the bicycle lane! I kept thinking, 'what are you doing, get out of my space dumbass' The planning principle of the trail is good and I am excited about the new additions, but the design, IMO is a bit lacking. Also, an argument can be made that there is too much visual clutter along the trail too, although this isnt necessarly shown in the pictures you posted. Having said that, considering the company I work for is behind this trail and one o fmy bosses is project manager....I am completely supportive of everything cultural trail... :) I think this comment makes the best point of all. "I kept thinking, 'what are you doing, get out of my space dumbass'." As a bicyclist a city actually gave you 'your own space' (but still within the street grid) and gave you some separation from traffic. I am sure the pedestrians will figure it out over time. Its like a roundabout, it takes some time and complaining from some people. But, at least the space is being developed for alternative transportation modes. Most cities and their foundations wouldn't find your needs worth $60 million. They would just give you a stripped line, or nothing at all. I personally hope more US cities are willing to spend more money on the bicyclist. agreed. Bicycle lanes should be mad emore abundant throughout the midwest. And I am greatful, as a bicyclist, for 'my own space'. But that doesnt mean we should accept whatever design they throw at us because its 'better than nothing.' We can be picky too. :)

Apparently you lie as much as rando preaches truth ha. well just dont tell my boyfriend. i'll see you later in edelman 'so goes it.'

i mean come on, get off the restaurants b*lls

oh geez, here we go again 'so goes it'

Yes...from my soapbox. HEY...jealousy is a strong emotion. :laugh: ha. ew.

theyre inside the indoor downtown mall. When I walk down Meridian during lunch, I am always shocked at how desolate it can be. But once you walk in the mall, wow...people everywhere. We were downtown during part of lunch and the sidewalks from the city market to the circle then down meridian were amazingly packed. The outdoor cafes were full as well. yea some days that is true, esp. wednesdays at city market or when some event is going on. But in this past summer, I would say 9 days out of 10 it seemed empty to me. Also, I worked in downtown Cincinnati before this and in dt Cincy, it always seems amazingly packed so that is what I am used to. It wasn't a wed. Maybe it doesn't seem as packed because of the wide pedestrian sidewalk space that downtown Indy has. That space has also made all the outdoor cafes possible. Indy's wide sidewalks are FABULOUS. I love them and the outdoor cafes too. But as I said, working on Meridian Street and walking on it everyday, it often seemed desolate. But when I walked into Nordstrom and the mall, it was packed with people. This gets to my point that suburban malls arent good for downtowns. The mall did a decent job of tying the mall to the street on Illinois, but definitely not on Meridian. In my experience of the 3 downtowns I have worked in during my short life.... in terms of vibrancy during work hours. DT Columbus, Oh < DT Indianapolis, IN < DT Cincinnati, OH. I also lived in DT Indy this summer so I was always around :)

I think its great they were willing to dedicate roadway for some great bicycle space. Not just a line down the road. Several major planning and urban publications have called this project one of the best pedestrian/bike developments in North America. I am kind of surprised from a planning stand point that you would not find such a focus on the pedestrian and bicyclist great. I guess those that like to ride next to traffic on their bikes will have plenty of chances as they work on 200 miles of on street bike lanes that they just announced. I agree with Randy on this one. I used the cultural trail almst everyday this summer and I can assure you it was annoying and unsafe that pedestrians seemed hell bent on walking in the bicycle lane! I kept thinking, 'what are you doing, get out of my space dumbass' The planning principle of the trail is good and I am excited about the new additions, but the design, IMO is a bit lacking. Also, an argument can be made that there is too much visual clutter along the trail too, although this isnt necessarly shown in the pictures you posted. Having said that, considering the company I work for is behind this trail and one o fmy bosses is project manager....I am completely supportive of everything cultural trail... :)

downtown indy certainly has its perks. great set of my future home. bah! mass ave here i come.

theyre inside the indoor downtown mall. When I walk down Meridian during lunch, I am always shocked at how desolate it can be. But once you walk in the mall, wow...people everywhere. We were downtown during part of lunch and the sidewalks from the city market to the circle then down meridian were amazingly packed. The outdoor cafes were full as well. yea some days that is true, esp. wednesdays at city market or when some event is going on. But in this past summer, I would say 9 days out of 10 it seemed empty to me. Also, I worked in downtown Cincinnati before this and in dt Cincy, it always seems amazingly packed so that is what I am used to.

get off rando's b*lls 'so goes it.' :-)

theyre inside the indoor downtown mall. When I walk down Meridian during lunch, I am always shocked at how desolate it can be. But once you walk in the mall, wow...people everywhere.

^yea, I had it last week and liked it. Good breakfast choice. I couldn't help but think how this would make great drunk food. They should relocate closer to 7th or along Walnut and stay open 'til 3am. I think it would do amazing business. Plus there is a demand for this type of food. Skyline needs to stay open later...I know Randy has discussed that fact many times.

yea, i saw it too. i think i remember it being called Fanatic, but I dont really remember.

saw it at the esquire and really enjoyed it. The entire crowd seemed to love it too, very funny. He didn't just pick on Christians, but also Jews and Muslims. Talked a lot about the persistent homophobia in religion. Also, he went to the creation museum and showed how incredibly bogus that place is. Also talked about the Dutch v. Muslim stuff thats happening/been happening. I'd recommend it, as long as you know what you're going to watch.

yea the tower looks good, but the awful parking garage isn't doing it for me. That is one BIG garage.

yea and mound street in columbus should be changed, because afterall, its not very moundy. and dont even get me started on gay street. :-)

maybe for the marina?

the site plan still bothers me. why didnt they bring those structures up to columbia parkway? Those lots along c. parkway could have easily been hidden. wtf?

what the hell is that hideous skywalk for in the 2nd rendering? I say no to this. There has to be a better way!

I know, let's hope that their efforts are as effective as praying the gay out. :-D They can't get rid of us gays. If they did, the world would be a bland, vanilla, colorless and tacky place. Well, look at all the red states. Red is sooooo tacky and unfortunate.

well this is great news. I always thought that retail space would be difficult to fill up so I am glad to see that space occupied.

ew ew ew. The development going on along the I-74 corridor from Rybolt to the I-275/I-74 merge is disgusting. I remember driving through that valley and seeing nothing but forested hillsides. Now, almost every hillside has been developed/raped. And now, a new hilside close to Miamitown overlooking the Great Miami River valley has been completely cleared and looks disgusting. So sad. :( And dont get me started on the 'Go West 275' campaign I see around there. bah! (sorry, random rants)