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Cheap and boring. Belongs Uptown.

Good grief. Lets hope this isn't too indicative of what happens in November...

That would be great. If they do new development, it's time to build a taller structure (7-10 stories for liberty) and make it modern. OTR needs density and needs to start getting used to some taller buildings. The edges like liberty and Central are the best places to get those ideas started.

Outside of the row houses? You mean the building type that overwhelmingly defines the entire city? What's outside of that? The CBD in Center City? Pah-lease. Cleveland and Philly feel nothing alike in terms of how one experiences a city. Philly's small blocks, narrow streets, pedestrian only cart paths, neighborhood parks, corner stores, incredible human scales are quite opposite of the grander scales and boulevards Great Lakes cities developed around.

The Facebook was around in early 2004 but only at a few schools. Back then you had to be in college to join. I joined The Facebook in November, 2004. It came to Ohio State a few months before that. It went to Facebook the summer 2005-ish and then began expanding to high schoolers and moms. Gawd haven't any of you watched The Social Network on repeat?

Yea - it isn't a uniquely Cincinnati thing. I lived without a car in Indianapolis and was fine. I took the bus where I needed and walked or biked everywhere else. I took MegaBus to Chi. or Cincinnati and when necessary, rented a car to go to Columbus. Now that I live in Center City Philly, with one of the best regional rail systems in the country, I still see times I need a car if I realistically want to travel out to the burbs and beyond. The regional system, although very expansive here, can't serve all the sprawl. ZipCar is my saving grace for those moments. It will always beat owning a car and the worries of parking that it comes with living in Center City.

From my perspective, this is a PR nightmare. I don't have perspective from Portland, or Seattle, but I keep thinking: "Where is the leadership?" The PR/messaging/working together seems so mismanaged. It's easy to blame Duke, COAST, Smitherman for this project's constant fumblings. But when do we hold leadership accountable? I can't help but wonder what good leadership would do/have done for this project and if a lot of this bs could have been avoided if such was the case.

^yea, every time I fly from Philly to Cincinnati I always check the surrounding airports (Indy, Louisville, Dayton, C-Bus, Lex) just to see if there is some amazing deal to be had. Not once have I found Cincinnati's prices to be astoundingly more expensive. And often it is a cheaper flight, and always direct unlike Dayton which always has a layover in Detroit or Atl.

Agreed... I'd rather see Ziegler Park "cleaned up" and extended North to 14th Street, which would make it about 1/4 the size of Washington Park by my estimation. Core could also buy up the parking lot on the south side of SCPA between 12th and 13th. Well, with some 200 or so people to move in immediately next door, I'm guessing the park would get utilized a lot more. Plus, the potential is far greater here than Ziegler for events, etc. The space can be Pendleton's smaller version of Wash. Park.

a simple google search will show you there is clear demand for walkable urbanism, as showcased in people's desires when asked and the fact that homes in walkable areas have fared far better than those in non-walkable areas during the recession. http://blog.walkscore.com/2012/11/new-urbanism-if-you-build-walkability-they-will-thrive/ http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2012/09/next-major-real-estate-cycle-walkable-urbanism/3161/ http://dc.streetsblog.org/2012/11/09/in-philly-housing-in-walkable-places-held-up-better-than-suburban-housing/ http://dc.streetsblog.org/2012/05/18/study-resilient-walkables-lead-the-housing-recovery/ http://www.njfuture.org/2012/03/05/new-jersey-walkable-places/ Just a few quick ones I found.

Not always the case. The community should have a big say here. Too often, developers are more concerned with the bottom line. With this, and many other developments, it's the difference between making a huge profit or making a decent sized profit. When it comes to what the community gets in those 2 scenarios, the differences can be jarring.

2016? SMH. What the hell is going on? It just seems so ridiculous. I'm starting to believe the boondoggle headlines! The implementation of the project sure feels that way.

They're probably built in pilot houses for roof access.

bd's is a big get, imo. rue 21 is as well, atleast for an entry clothing store. if it does well it could attract better brands.

"Green" is overrated. It may not be the prettiest thing but it beats the parking lot Why is green overrated? I dont care what they choose to build it out of, so long as they improve the land from an empty parking lot. If they want to use "green" materials because they are efficient, and cheaper, great. I just think building "green" for the sake of calling yourself "green" is overrated and pandering to the politcal correct class. In my opinion of course. I'm more concerned with green site improvements - green roof, pervious pavers, rain cisterns, rain gardens, etc. I know it was previously a surface lot, but it is still a very large building and garage footprint and it would be nice for it to be a model of site sustainability to move others in the region towards that practice as well.

"Green" is overrated. It may not be the prettiest thing but it beats the parking lot Why is green overrated?

Beautiful - thanks for sharing... ...did atlas just "woof"??? Yea. Woof! As in. What a dog! Woof.

woof. Are there any sustainable features, green roofs, blue roofs, pervious pavings, rain cisterns, anything stormwater/site related they're doing for this?

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New information states there was not "enough" room at the Dunnhumby site anymore. As they needed more space. That argument makes no sense. Not "enough" room? How is there not enough room above the 4-story structure they want to build? I understand they need more space than originally thought, but it looks like their new plans expand horizontally, not vertically. Dumb.

There really should be a push for 2 levels of retail/commercial. There is a huge difference between street presence/vitality/that lively 'feeling' when retail is on the first two floors compared to only the first floor - especially when the second floor is a parking garage. If we're not going to get 2 floors, lets hope for at least 18-20 foot first floor heights.

Chicago - or, I should say, the Chicago branch of Michaels, is about to start work on a significant mixed housing project in Fairmount. The firm I work for (WRT out of Philadelphia) is also involved doing master planning/architectural work.

I definitely think Zipcar should and could be used as leverage by developers to build less parking and instead provide Zipcar spaces nearby and/or free memberships for a year. Would be interesting if that would work in Cincy.

Another Indy firm.... Better watch out Cincy. the Indy development scene isn't exactly something to aspire to product wise.

They should try to use this project as an example of doing residential without a 1:1 ratio. Do 1:2 and negotiate with Zipcar to put one or two cars adjacent to the property.