Oldmanladyluck

thanks......anyone else maybe going? Count me in, I don't wanna miss this one

Great pics!!

Funny how BET isn't even owned by African Americans anymore...

I'm kinda glad that this project didn't happen. We have enough sprawl as it is.

Whatever the case may be with the current property owners, the more time it takes to go through the eminent domain process, the more it costs Wolstein in the end, since he more than likely had to take out construction loans for the project.

What I find interesting is the population numbers for the Cleveland-Akron-Elyria region. 4,685,582? That's almost 5 million people.

Maybe they're just mad that they don't have a stripclub in Sharonville (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm sure if the love is spread around a little bit, they'll change their minds lol

Excellent photos of OTR. Love the architecture

Nice!!! This looks like the premiere residential place in University Circle. I want one, dammit

^^To the above poster... It seems like you took my comments offensively. Additionally, you must not have understood what I was trying to convey. I've been to the Old World festival many times. I just recently went to the festival last year, and plan on going this year as well. Just because a group of young black individuals in baggy clothes jumped somebody does not make every individual that wears baggy hip-hop clothing criminals, as it seems you are trying to imply. I, personally, grew up with hip-hop music during my teenage years when an individual is affected by the media (music videos, MTV, BET, whatever) the most. I wear typical "hip-hop" clothing, as do most of my friends who are African American. Yet I do not have any type of criminal record, and will be receiving my B.A. in Urban Studies from Cleveland State this year. I don't get what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that the Slavic Village festival is not thriving because African Americans go to it, and not the Little Italy festival? African Americans very seldom, if at all, frequent Little Italy because of past history (though Little Italy is changing as well). Conversely, African Americans live, work and support local businesses in Slavic Village. Living in fear, as you illustrate in your next comment, is the one of the reasons there was an explosion of growth in the suburbs during the turmoil of the 60's..... I can understand an individual being on guard, but it seems like you, or whoever you're speaking for, is scared to walk down his or her own street. Hopefully, it is not because of black youths who are dressed in a certain fashion. To those individuals who are in fear of their lives because of a hip-hop attire, my advice would be to lock all doors, get a security system, bars on your windows, a ten foot high fence around the perimeter of the property, a gun under the pillow, become completely paranoid and look out the window at all times for strangers dressed in hip-hop clothing. Better yet, run to the next suburb out, since there's always another suburb to run to where problems won't exist :roll:. Furthermore, was calling Caucasians "white devlis" necessary? First off, define "people" (as in who they are), in your first sentence. Secondly, define "well dressed blacks". And thirdly, OK... if a group of whites are wearing traditional Ku Klux Klan attire and I'm surrounded with no where to go, I would feel somewhat threatened. However, being afraid of numbers and "street language", is a stretch ... And what are you trying to convey here? Yes, nationwide the prison system is filled with African Americans, yet we make up 12% of the population. What does that tell you? Does that mean that we are violent by nature, or does that tell you something different? I'm not going to comment on your remarks here, however if you are ignorant to the reasons why African Americans make up a large percentage of the United States prison system, and truthfully want to know why, I will gladly inform you.

I've lived in Euclid for 20 years (I'm 24 years old), off of E.260th close to Lakeshore. For those not familiar with the area, it is filled with what some would consider "starter homes", including small bungaloes and duplexes, built after WWII. African Americans didn't live in my area that much (I myself am African American), so the biggest change that I see in the area is a shift in demographics. When I was little, I noticed how my street was occupied by mostly senior citizens and middle aged individuals. I thought that one day, most of the people living in my neighborhood would start moving out and going to Florida, or retirement homes, or wherever. This trend has became noticable in the last few years, and the former residents for the most part are being replaced by African Americans, most of whom are from the inner city. There have been a few break-ins in my area, but overall crime has not increased. What I believe has increased is a perception of perceived crime, or crime potential in my area (I can't speak for the rest of Euclid, because there has been an increase in crime in some areas). Let's face it- when an older, white suburbanite sees a black youth dressed in baggy clothes, the suburbanite probably thinks "uh-oh, here comes trouble", though the young African-American may be a straight-A student. Hip-hop culture, to those who are not familiar with it, spells crime mostly because of misconceptions. It is the same mindset that makes certain individuals tell their kids when they drive downtown to "lock the doors" because it's "dangerous", which is why some avoid downtown all together (a travesty in my opinion).

Love the views in these pics... especially these 2!!

I stopped reading after "build new highways"... this country is definitely going in the wrong direction when it comes to transportation.

Great irony here. The millions in tax revenue that this is supposed to create has to be given to the city voluntarily. I don't know if that'll fly... look at the Clinic.

MTS- I believe they're "holding the city hostage" (I know, that was nice wasn't it lol) by refusing to build without the abatements. They know Cleveland's housing market needs the influx of new homes, and know that Cleveland would suffer without them. Though I hate the PD, the statement made in the article about what "they" see without tax abatements- "A vacant state hospital instead of the suburban-style MillCreek subdivision off Turney Road. Huge swaths of overgrown lots and abandoned, dilapidated buildings in the Central neighborhood instead of more than 300 new houses. Empty industrial land in the Flats instead of upscale condos and apartments" hits home somewhat. Tax abatements are always going to be a sticky issue, but the city needs to do what's best for it on behalf of the residents of the city, not because developers threaten to stop building without them. If the city finds that they should keep the abatements as is, then that's fine, but to keep them as is because of threats is another thing. Wish I had more time to post, but I'll come back.................

I can understand why companies would find Cleveland to be a nice housing market because of the tax abatements, but holding the city hostage is not the way to go...

Thanks for the info. Sounds like you did a nice job showing them around!!

MTS- Couldn't agree with you more. The people/ organization that had the bright idea of sending New Yorkers to Croker Park should be terminated IMMEDIATELY. How the H#ll do you send New Yorkers on a limo to Croker Park?!! Is this supposed to be their idea of marketing Cleveland? What does this do to bring others outside of the region to the city proper?!! KJP- I'm all for getting a group of us together to market the city PROPERLY- instead of sending outsiders to the suburbs (again, who came up with this very bright idea??). It appears that we would have more insight as to how to market the city than people that are actually paid to do it.

Nope, NOBODY in Cleveland likes ODOT... METRO: Trench plan sparks fight By Tom Breckenridge Plain Dealer Reporter Cleveland City Council members unhappy with plans for a stretch of the rebuilt Inner Belt say they�ll play political hardball to get what they want. Council members sparred for two hours Wednesday with a top ODOT planner about �the trench,� the stretch of Interstate 90 that feeds Midtown and other neighborhoods east of downtown. ODOT�s $1.5 billion plan to fix the Inner Belt calls for closing multiple ramps in the trench. It would heighten safety on the Inner Belt, where two accidents a day make it one of the riskiest stretches of road in Ohio, ODOT planner Craig Hebebrand said during the council hearing Wednesday... To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: [email protected], 216-999-4695

Was I the only one who caught this? This is a milestone for Cleveland... there HAS to be a market for more for-sale housing downtown if less than 500 people out of those 10,000 are living in for-sale housing. Hell, if no one else wants to, I'll build a 40 story condo tower downtown myself!! Great news Cleveland. 10,000 people downtown is an accomplishment.

Yeah, issue 3 definately had something to do with the convention center not being announced as of yet. Again, if issu 3 would have passed, the convention center would have been put behind Tower City, no question about it. But since issue 3 failed, I'm personally hoping they utilize the mall and finish Daniel Burnham's plan for Cleveland.

MyTwoSense- Yep, he did say that. He pointed at the professor while he said it and the professor agreed with him. It seemed like one of the mayor's main goals for the city is jobs for the residents. He said that with the two casinos downtown and the convention center, many jobs would be created (some temporary, like the construction jobs with the projects). From his viewpoint, it seemed that getting jobs that could go to the residents in the city is his goal. I asked him if he had any other plans to help foster the regional economy (as with the no-poaching agreement with the suburbs, tax sharing, etc.), and he brought up the airport, which is in a different thread.

Well, straight from the mayor's mouth... I skipped one of my classes at CSU because I heard that the mayor would be in Dr. Krumholz (spelling might be wrong) class, so I walked in and sat down before the professor came, hoping he wouldn't throw me out of his class (he ended up sitting down right next to me, but didn't say anything). The mayor came in, and the first thing he said was that he was not for regional government, but knew the importance of a regional economy. He stressed that the reason why he wasn't for a regional government was because he knew that just because someone states "if we do this, wonderful things will happen", does not mean that those wonderful things will happen. But back to the topic... He was asked about the convention center... and he stated that Issue 3 has a good chance of passing, and if it did pass, "I think there would be no question that the convention center would go at Tower City". He mentioned that Cincy and C-bus had the same chance that Cleveland had for casinos to be located in their downtowns, but didn't take it. He said that he endorsed Issue 3 because the money generated from the casinos for the city would go towards an economic developement fund, and not towards the city's budget (he mentioned that Michigan cut 110 million from Detroit's budget when they got the casinos, so Detroit has not been able to benefit from them). That way if the casinos wanted to leave, they would not affect the city's budget. He also stated that with the two casinos and the convention center going downtown, in total the development would be over 1 BILLION dollars (and along w/ Stark's $1 billion plan, there's some big money going into downtown).

Excellent news. Hopefully, ODOT reconsiders the plan by Paul Alsenas within this time frame. Ohio delays Inner Belt redesign; city officials applaud Wednesday, October 18, 2006 Susan Vinella Plain Dealer Reporter Commuters can expect an extra year or two of traffic snarls on the Inner Belt and continued danger at Dead Man's Curve, the most perilous stretch of highway in Ohio. The state will delay for up to two years the launch of Cleveland's Inner Belt redesign project to deal with rising costs and design flaws. The state also might scale back renovations of the Inner Belt Bridge over the Cuyahoga River. Instead of fixing the bridge to last 50 years, at a cost of $266 million, the state proposes a 20-year rehab... To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: [email protected], 216-999-5010

Can't wait for the pics... I was in school (CSU) when the groundbreaking was taking place, and didn't get out till 1:00