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^Though I like the throwback, I think the updated look of the roofline of the new SHW tower will show the City's progress. We can always enjoy what we have already as well...

The suburban mid-rise apartment craze (especially in the 70s) also spread out into Lake County. There's the cluster in Willoughby Hills along Ridge Rd. close to SOM Center and I90 which are all 15-20 stories, and the couple further down Lakeshore in Wickliffe close to Vine St. This time around major developments are happening in the city itself vs. the suburbs.

The biggest mitigating factor is that this is the beginning of the end for the Parking Lot District. I don't think anyone- whether they're for or against SHW's current plans- would disagree.

I love it!

^A good reason why much of the development in Cleveland’s future may be in and around University Circle.

Can’t say I’m big on the idea of using the bridge for parking, but I love the idea of using it for pedestrian purposes. That would definitely be one of the things that would make Cleveland unique. Imagine if the Hope Memorial also had some pedestrian uses (I think I remember hearing it also had sub-level lanes as well, so I’m not referring to the lanes built before the RNC). Having those two bridges activated with pedestrian uses would be one of the most cool and unique urban experiences in the country.

Here's the region's job numbers from 1990 to 2021 per the BLS. The first peak was before NAFTA. The drop off after the peak was around the 2001-2002 recession. Then came the Great Recession in 2008. The time period between 2000 and 2010 shows no job growth, hence another decade of stagnation for the region with unchecked sprawl. The growth after the great recession accounts for the next ten years- and it wasn't until last year where the region finally came ahead of the job losses we took from the Great Recession. But as can be seen, we have yet to account for the jobs lost before NAFTA. The last drop off was due to the shut-down of jobs from the pandemic. There's a good chance that the economy this time around will rebound much more quickly than in previous time periods. The time period before 2000 and before NAFTA was the last time period the region actually grew in population, which was at about 2% if memory serves me correctly. The growth could be seen through the jobs gained. During that time period, the region was much more dependent on manufacturing. The time period between the last twenty years where the region shed manufacturing jobs and saw them replaced in large part on a one-to-one basis by eds-and-meds had to happen. Regardless of recessions, this time period was bound to be rough for the region. We can see the physical signs of the last 20 years of stagnation in the lost housing stock and commercial corridors throughout much of the east-side of the city, with the inner-ring suburbs also being affected. The numbers FINALLY point in the right direction this time around, with eds-and-meds being a growing sector which is much less affected by economic downturns than manufacturing. We have reason to be optomistic- but I would again not bet that the region grew this time around. Maybe by a little, but not by much. If it shrunk, it may have by a little, but not by much. The numbers show it.

I think we could look to job growth numbers to tell if the region grew or not. I don’t think we grew this census, unfortunately, but I also don’t think we shrank much, if at all. The shedding of manufacturing (down to 11% of the region’s workforce the last time I checked, on par with many other metros) and the growth of eds-and-meds (20% of the region’s workforce and growing) point to growth in the region this coming decade. Growth or not this census, the good news is I’m pretty sure we hit bottom this past decade and are bouncing back. It’s been said before, I’m sure- but this time it’s not just based on hope... this time the numbers point in the right direction.

But why are construction costs so high here when compared to other metros? What’s the reason? If it makes the region less competitive, how can the issue be addressed?

Oh that's funny!

The most important piece to all of this which isn’t mentioned is Litt’s article is the cost. What’s mentioned is the potential to receive funding from the Biden infrastructure plan. But what if the costs aren’t covered by the plan? Would the Cleveland Port Authority be willing to issue bonds to speed up the process? if you can’t tell, I’m tired of waiting and seeing plan after plan, year after year. Plans die without funding- and there may be a way to speed this one up with the technology mentioned in @KJP’s article from 2006 (!). Here we are, 15 years later. I’d rather not wait another 15 if there’s a way, and the means, to have it done quicker.

Nice looking plan, but ugggghhhh... I wish it could happen sooner than that timeline. 15 to 25 years? I remember being excited about the 2004 plan when it first came out and we'll have to wait until past 2040 for this. That's IF it actually happens. I seem to remember an article (probably from @KJP a while back) which mentioned using rubber from tires to quickly fill in any man-made islands. I wonder if planners are aware of this, or if it's even been considered.

Our very own @KJP mentioned in this article... Rail advocacy group wants Cleveland Amtrak station back at Tower City Updated 2:05 PM; Today 2:05 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio — All Aboard Ohio, a passenger-rail advocacy group, voted this week to recommend moving Cleveland’s Amtrak station back to Tower City Center, in anticipation of a dramatic increase in train service in the coming years. Ken Prendergast, public affairs director for All Aboard Ohio, said the Tower City location is more centrally located, offers more connectivity to RTA trains and buses, and is closer to downtown hotels, businesses and tourism sites. More at: https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2021/04/rail-advocacy-group-wants-cleveland-amtrak-station-back-at-tower-city.html

Great pics!

^^The address for that building is 1441 W. 25th Street, right? No case has been filed against the building's owner (Riverbed West, LLC). Ever. For those who don't like the way the building looks or the affect it has on the street... start calling the City. 216-664-2282 is the number to Building and Housing. Call until someone from city hall comes out. Edit: Looks like plenty of Violations have been issued within the past three years... none have come before the Court. That's either the Building Department holding onto them, or the Law Department not bringing a case in.

@AgreeneOutstanding!!!

Outstanding additions to this thread @bigbrian24 Thanks!

Yep.

Oh @MayDaygot me good the one year he made the post about the Terminal Tower- that was the best out of all of them!

^Doubt this means much, but as of today the Stark Enterprises website still has the separate office tower/ apartments rendering... I think we all liked the 50 story version- however, that version included a hotel if I recall correctly. Is downtown at a place where another hotel would make sense?

^That amount of enrollment would push the student pop to over 20,000 for the first time in years. And having 4.500 more young people living downtown? Thats very promising :-)

I’m sure there’s another neighborhood (or two, or all of them besides OC) who wouldn’t mind this development. If Ohio City doesn’t want it, fine. The more the neighborhood pushes back against development the more it could spread out into other areas.