Oldmanladyluck

To be serious, I expect the inner east side to empty out more which could lead to another loss during the next census. Neighborhoods such as Mt Pleasant can be downright depressing to live in right now with the amount of abandonment, and you'll have very few people choosing to live there. The same can be said for South Collinwood, parts of Glenville, Hough, and Fairfax even though those last few surround University Circle. It will take much more job growth in the Circle and the city in general for these neighborhoods to realistically rebound. Central's growth wasn't that much of a surprise to me, but was great to see nonetheless. That neighborhood truly bottomed out 10 years ago, and with all of the new construction of subsidized, below-market, and market rate homes, I could see that people were moving back. It won't be as dense as it was before, but what's there now is MUCH better than what was left behind by years of neglect.

With the amount of foreclosures Cleveland saw during the last few years, I would at least expect a similar percentage sized drop-off in Detroit, if not larger. Detroit may be kissing 700,000 now.

^Yet and still, a growth rate for any region of 4.4% is healthy IMO. This census (along with the last few) should be a wake-up call for Cleveland, most of the rest of the state for that matter.

Truth. Immigrants made this city great, and can do so again. And it finally seems that immigration is coming to the forefront here. I truly think we've hit rock bottom. Things seem to be turning around regionally. I'm hopeful that this translates to an increasing population in the city in the future.

One surprise to me is that with the amount of sprawl which Cleveland experienced during the beginning of the 2000s, I expected Mentor to grow to maybe 60,000. Instead the population declined... in Mentor of all places. That statistic has me stumped. With the amount of foreclosures which occurred in Euclid, I'm surprised the population didn't fall much further than a couple thousand. At the height of the foreclosure crisis, Euclid was just shy of reaching the amount of foreclosures experienced in Slavic Village (without the additional abandonment). Of course there's been a lot of white flight out of Euclid, but I guess Euclid sucked up some of the losses experienced on the East Side since Euclid's numbers didn't move much.

Can't say that Cleveland's numbers are unexpected. My work requires me to be in the inner east side neighborhoods- and the amount of devastation within the last ten years is both amazing and sad. Oh well...

Everyone brace yourselves... it's not going to be pretty.

It's time Nashville figure out what their back-up plan should be. Great pics hubz1124!

^Not that surprising... the 2001 recession hit Cuyahoga County hard- I think we lost 85,000+ jobs during that recession in this county alone, which weren't quickly recovered. These numbers won't be nice to digest for Cleveland. I'm hoping it's a wake up call to the residents, politicians, and the business community though again, I think we've turned a corner.

I'm expecting Cleveland to lose a minimum of 50,000 this time around. St Clair/Superior, Hough, Glenville, Fairfax, Mt Pleasant, Union Miles, and Slavic Village were all hit tremendously hard during the foreclosure crisis. Some of the neighborhoods have lost so much of their existing housing stock that some areas are much more RURAL now than urban with vast amounts of open land, but with no demand to build (for a number of reasons). The good news is that the city and region are finally positioning themselves for growth- so if I were to have a crystal ball, I would predict that this may be the last census where Cleveland loses population. Some may disagree due to the past 60 years of decline, but still realistic IMO.

^I agree. The hospital should have been built in the city, and I don't think anyone argued against that. The problem was the decision to build it at this particular site, based on contiguous land availability. There's no reason why a site on Cedar or even Central could have been chosen instead, even if the city would have had to work with more than one land owner. Once you get east of E.55th, there's plenty of available land on both streets. The land between Central and Longfellow is a great example, since the cleared parcels amount to about the same size as the cleared land on Euclid and E. 55th. The beginning of the article makes it seem like the city dropped the ball, which I highly doubt. The buildings from Cleveland's past which were on the site had been demolished, and the land cleaned. The city lost a part of it's history though the buildings occupying the site before were "beyond repair" (or just in the wrong location at this point in time). This seems more like a move on the state's part to save money.

^Truth. If only Pesht didn't have to rise all at once or not rise at all... ah well.

AHHH! I won't be able to come- I have a meeting in Hough from 7:00 until probably 9:00.

And thank God getting rid of the County Administration building was proposed! We've argued the need for a convention hotel on the CC/MM thread before... and that site would be great for one while getting rid of the hideous building that's currently there. I really like this plan for the Malls. And closing Ontario through PS would definitely help... of course even the article said that RTA would have a problem with that. I'm liking it!

^Zoning is law, granted by the police power cities have. The city could very well make a land owner wait years to develop their land if the owner wouldn't want to change the use, and it's happened before (just don't make me take out my lawbook and search for one instance LOL). But that's getting off topic. I see where you're coming from though. Check your pm. Maybe things will change sooner rather than later as KJP suggests. But right now, the plans put forward by Midtown in 2005 do not match the transportation infrastructure we have in place. The amount of stops along Euclid would suggest a higher density useage than what is proposed in the masterplan, or else people wouldn't need to stop there in the first place. I think that this is a missed opportunity. I know I wasn't the only one envisioning more of a mixed-use neighborhood along the stretch after the Corridor was completed. The transportation infrastructure mode (transit) with the amount of stops in place just makes that type of development make sense. Not warehouses, light industrial, "commercial", or whatever the case may be. I know it's a lost cause which was lost years ago... I just wish the city planners/councilmen/zoning board would have more foresight as to the type of opportunity the Euclid Corridor has. I think the city is blowing it's shot at a great urban thoroughfare, and I think Midtown is crucial to that realization. This will never be the Magnificent Mile, but with light industrial and warehouses, it won't be the Short North either.

That's why zoning exists- to stop certain uses from occurring while allowing others. Who said that Midtown owns anything? I thought part of this thread dealt with what we perceive to be poor planning along this corridor, or a discussion considering it? Private owners can propose anything they want. The city, i.e. the councilmen and zoning board, have to accept, which happens a bit too much. Again, if the plan were to build warehouses along this stretch of Euclid, why the multiple stops on the Healthline on this stretch as if pedestrians will primarily frequent the businesses?

Well, there you go. Some people know their stuff.... others don't. Especially when the others have no clue as to what they're talking about. Especially when the developer studies the market area and finds that rentals are the best use for the site. Oh well... But then again, this may just be politics. He may know of a better deal for the site which hasn't been announced yet- why else would a politician purposely shoot down a planned development in his ward? That doesn't make sense unless he didn't receive his in-pocket "campaign contributions".

Getting a zoning varience is unfortunately easy to do in this town as long as the councilman is on board with the proposed changes. And I agree, no masterplan is concrete and most change over time. So even though the CDC proposed the plan, what we end up with will be different that the vision the plan proposed... for better or worse.

I've found that I've had to check myself many times regarding Midtown. It "could" be the urban district I'm sure most of us would like to see... just probably not in our lifetime. There's other streets with more existing building stock which could be planned for adaptive mixed-use than this corridor, though most will never have had the same potential as Euclid has (or had). The masterplan was ok... and I guess with the proposals we've heard of so far along with the construction which is going on, all coincides with the plan- though I can't say the same about the design guidelines. My issue with the plan is that with what we're seeing constructed along with what's planned, the pedestrian dead-zone which currently exists on Euclid will NOT change- maybe 50 years from now the city will get it right and plan for more pedestrian oriented uses... My other issue with the plan is that we just had built a $275 million-dollar BRT Corridor, with multiple stops as if the plan were to build a district where the pedestrian would be enticed to use the bus to get around. The planners might have well left the multiple stops off of the Midtown Corridor if this is what the planners had in mind all along.

Great news!

I personally would love to see this project move forward. Though the park is not one of the neighborhood's main concerns at this point (abandoned properties, crime, debris in vacant lots, and animals are among residential concerns), this project would do a lot for Lexington Ave and the surrounding streets. I think it could spur greater interest in the redevelopment of the area in the future. This section of the city is going through big changes, as you'll see large homes built within the last few years standing directly next to vacant and abandoned properties which in many cases are beyond repair. Not to veer off topic, but CSU using the historic ballpark would seem like a no-brainer since the school is literally only 2 miles away... though the neighborhood has a problem with "outsiders" (including CSU) wanting to use neighborhood assets- including League Park.

I was wondering why more developers won't build apartments in this market. This is great news!

I'm keeping my hopes up :)

I had higher expectations for the team this year... but them bombing the season this year is actually a good thing. The draft couldn't come sooner- and we'll undoubtedly get the first pick. And underperformers, whoever they may be, are lining themselves up for a trade. I think next year's team could look a lot different than what we have right now.

Great news! From the way the article was written, it looks like the this first phase isn't included with the $600 million casino behind Tower City. If this is the case, that's GREAT news- since this would turn into an approximately $1 Billion project... The added influx of 13,000 people a day to Public Square will be great for the existing businesses, and will undoubtedly spur new businesses in the area.