Oldmanladyluck

Well, he would be an anomaly in the NFL; I don’t believe any other team owner who wants a new stadium is fully funding the stadium 100% without any taxpayer help.

There would be a decent chance it could be up to 600 feet as a sizable chunk of downtown falls within that height limit

The numbers seem to be adjusted way down from just a couple of months ago, where the region had multiple months of 1.8% growth according to the BLS. These adjustments always throw me off- what are the real numbers? How could the BLS be so wrong for so long throughout the last year if these ARE the real numbers? We’ll never know.

^That and the stadium would technically be in Central, which has been long neglected but has rebounded a bit in population. It would be great for the city of Cleveland if the stadium was located there.

There was a proposal for a dome around 2002 I think which at the time would have cost $50 million. That’s part of the reason why I don’t buy into the notion that a dome can’t be part of the renovation if they stay put on the lakefront. Keep it on the lake, put a dome over it. Done.

Love it- absolutely love it. Give me this x 1,000 throughout the city including downtown on every single vacant lot that’s out there.

^I think they should stay as they are; Old Cleveland, meet New Cleveland.

I would expect for CSU to take on the property somehow as an eastern campus, or for a Jewish college to potentially take over the site. I would truly doubt that it’s ever redeveloped in any other type of way.

There was a plan years ago for a retractable roof to be installed over the already existing CBS after it's construction completed. Why couldn't that happen now?

One thing I’m trying to wrap my head around is what Brook Park could do financially to assist a new build costing over $1 billion when it’s not like they’re in a different county? The county itself has major costs which need to be addressed in the next few years, including the new county courthouse which could cost close to $1 billion. Where is all of the extra money supposed to come from if the Browns move to Berea and the County can’t come up with much to help finance a new build? I could see the City of Cleveland financing a portion of the cost through the Port (and being able to afford paying it back). Is Berea in the same boat if the cost required for a new build from the city totaled, say $200 million? Even at a term of 30 years, that’s a huge chunk of change for Berea to swallow out of their general fund.

I think the buildout of the interior in a commercial unit would be on the tenant to complete, but I could be wrong.

In my real estate development class at CSU I presented on an idea for a 20-story tower on the site as my last project in the semester, but couldn’t make the numbers work and didn’t include any subsidy (which explained why, at least to me, that the site wasn’t built on). This was back in 2008 or so, and nothing was getting built without a subsidy back then. Same today- even with the numbers being over $3.00/sqft.

Well… if the SHW’s growth requires a second, taller-than-500-feet tower, there’s still plenty of parking lots in the vicinity which could be bought and built on. And if they require a connection keeping people from having to brave the outside, they could tunnel. There’s ways around this, but it seems as though this is all self-created by SHW.

Cleveland within the next few months will officially have 100,000 more Eds and Meds jobs than Manufacturing. I don't personally view Cleveland as "Blue-Collar" (or "Rust-Belt"; I think "Post Rust-Belt" would be more apt if Rust-Belt were to be used at all. I'm all-in on "Water-Belt"), but of course I didn't come into young adulthood during the era when factory jobs were plentiful. The region was in flux in the early 2000s; not anymore. Dollars are needed to clean the brownfields within Cleveland and throughout the Region to give the Region a fair chance at competing with others. Once that happens, growth will follow.

“The Project, which includes the construction of the Lumen…” Hmm… hopefully they meant “the Lumen 2…”

I don’t think the welcome center is going anywhere, anytime soon. A better bet may be to buy one of the surrounding surface parking lots and build new there, tunneling underground if need be to connect to SHW1. Underground pedestrian tunnels exist here and are still used between the JC and the Huntington parking garage.

Same- though I felt before this tower was built that the original tower pitched for Amazon (which was originally supposed to be for SHW) would have been great. Since then, I’m more for density which we absolutely need more of. Give me density any day over surface parking, which a second tower would take up even more of. There will be times in the city’s future where we could see a 1,000 footer. It just didn’t happen this time. We still have a game changer with SHW which finally evens out the skyline west of E. 9th St, and there’s plenty of surface parking left to put a 1,000 footer on.

420ft without including a lobby or a garage (if part of the project) and a potential crown... it could reach close to 500 feet. It would also likely need footers if going above 400.

Taken today.

^And subsequently, the Ohio Players were a big influence on what would become the sound of West-Coast Hip Hop.

Welp… that sucked. This’ll put a bit of a damper on the Watson vs. Flacco noise. Cleveland is married to Watson, for better or worse. Flacco will likely get picked up by another team.

It will. It always does.

The Wharf is what the East Bank could be, without a doubt. The East Bank would be better though, just based on location alone.

Both Roger Goodell and Governor DeWine are in town today for the game…

Yeah downtown had some traffic last nite. Great to see too.