Oldmanladyluck

So here’s the real question- where do you buy seeds?

The GDP info is here: https://www.bea.gov/data/gdp/gdp-county-metro-and-other-areas I'm still looking for the census info.

Here's something probable with an increase of that much- the County's population is growing. I'd be willing to wager that both the County and the City grow in population when the 2030 numbers come in. I know that's a different topic, but economic growth and populaiton growth are tied at the hip.

I’ll be there 👍

I don't think the article makes it seem that way, but rather they were looking for incentives from Mayfield and the former Progressive site was just too good for their suburban culture to pass up.

It would depend on where the bedrock is. If this were Chicago, they’d likely have to dig less than 50 feet to hit bedrock in their downtown. Interestingly enough, I believe the bedrock in University Circle is around that range, which would make the construction of any high rise less costly there. But that’s for another topic. I’ll be downtown tonite with a cousin of mine who I lived with on E. 185th when I was a kid- she moved to North Carolina for her career and is back for the weekend. She’s excited to see the new look of the square while SHW is under construction. I’m hoping the remaining lots in the Parking Lot District are built on in the near future; I don’t know how much market demand will be brought to the area from SHW’s move but I hope it’s enough for some new low to mid-rise new construction before 2030.

Absolutely. This would be the perfect spot to reintroduce low to mid-rise density.

Friday after work sounds great!

There’s worse buildings than the JC court tower. Not to change topics, but if anyone has seen what the original plan was for CSU- you couldn’t even dream in your worst nightmare a college campus looking that bad. The same brutalist architecture, but even more hideous.

I’d agree with tearing down the Police Headquarters- but I’d like to see the tower saved along with the atrium. I’d hope that the JC is repurposed. There’s plenty of surface parking downtown to build a new courthouse. There’s no need to want to see a 400 footer demoed. Sure- the elevators dont work right when it rains, and the atrium leaks… but they can be fixed. The views out of that building are worth it.

The Curse was broken- and I'm sure I'm not the only one who will never forget this day. The Browns could've won if they had stayed. They would have had just as much of a chance as they would anywhere else. And they have a shot at beating the Ravens this weekend.

We’ve talked about taxing the parking lots downtown before in order to entice development. This article sums it up nicely: https://cityobservatory.org/parking_pay_way/

It blows my mind that the West Bank still has as many craters as it does. We're over 15 years since Stonebridge started to pop up.

I can appreciate the density the shorter buildings would create. I for one am a huge fan of the physical build of D.C. It may not have tall buildings- but the density, public transit (TODs galore around the subway stops), constant foot traffic, and public spaces let you know you’re in a great city when you’re there. However… having said that and I’ve said this before… I’d rather not lose the courthouse tower and not have something at least as tall replace it.

I love that Case is growing and is a great resource for the region... but I HATE that CSU can't get things together. CSU could be so much more to the region than it currently is in terms of having a growing student population staying and contributing to the local economy (different thread).

I should be able to make that work 👍

Ahh… remember the good ol’ days when rents in Cleveland didn’t allow for new construction because the rents weren’t over $2 per sqft? Now they’re over but no financing due to interest rates and inflation. At least we have SHW to admire until the market cools.

@E Rocc@math Unless Jim Rome mentioned “C-Town” before ‘92, I’d say that’s incorrect. Bone were not the first rappers from Cleveland, but they were definitely the most well known. MC Brains (I want to say he was from Glenville as well) mentioned “C-Town” in his album in ‘92 while Bone was still an underground group. I wouldn’t discount Hip-Hop culture (including Bone or any of the other local groups back then) as being reflective of local slang, especially in the early to mid 90s. Hip-Hop (and slang) was extremely regionalized, which was part of the reason Bone sounded so unique when they came out. Now, every rapper sounds like Bone. The NBA has been commercializing off of Hip-Hop for a while now. I don’t think anyone would argue against that. “The Land”, again, goes back 30 years. It would either be “The Land”, or “C-Town” on the Cavs jerseys and at this point (probably because of MGK in part, again, Hip-Hop), the Cavs chose The Land. And don’t tell me I’m the only person who heard “The Land” outside of a rap album being played in the 90s here… or at least I would hope 😄. Bone definitely made the use of “C-Town” and “The Land” more known- but then again, that’s another topic.

^I'll jump in... the city of Cleveland did lose population during the last census. That same Census data showed that the city, however, gained households during the same 10-year time period (I know there's an article on this forum which highlights the change, and no I didn't look for it). So people are indeed moving back to the city; however, familes with children are leaving. That puts a different spin on just the loss of population in general. City Hall during the Jackson administration believed the city would bottom out and begin to rebound in population around 2023-2024. Projects mentioned like the one here https://neo-trans.blog/2020/05/22/warner-swasey-redevelopment-is-a-midtown-catalyst/ point towards that prediction coming to fruition, along with the Cleveland economy finally being less dependant on manufacturing (which has fallen to the fifth-largest sector in the local economy). The city will not stay in the same downward spiral it's been in; I'm not a betting man nor someone who is such a homer that I truly believe the city will have massive growth in the next few years. I do believe, however, that the city actually hit rock bottom within the past ten years and will rebound, however long that takes from here.

Cleveland's 12-month percentage change for September is +1.5%, which is better than we've fared for much of the year. Education and Health Services grew by 6.8% (!). The bleeding from Trade, Transportation and Utilities is starting to slow at -2.7% (the sector had months of -4% shrinkage this year), and Manufacturing is starting to slow down at +.6%. A mixed-bag, but better than we've had.

The Land has been one of the nicknames for Cleveland since the mid-90s at least, specifically within the Black Community and within Hip-Hop culture. That along with C-Town, which more people may be familiar with.

That was what I was referring to- thanks for the photos. Yes- the Haslem land bridge looks sexier. But a 120 foot-wide land bridge is almost twice the width of many of our major streets in the Cleveland Region. For reference, Warrensville Center Road is 68 feet wide. A 120 foot width for pedestrians to cross is a lot of room and will “feel” like a land bridge when you’re crossing. If it actually happens, I think most would like it.

Am I missing something here with all of the talk about the land bridge being narrower? In comparison, it looks to be almost twice as wide as E.9th, which is a pretty wide street.

Was there an announcement for that parking lot to be developed? I may have missed it- but I love it if so!