Flee2theCleve

very disconcerting. makes you wonder about the structural integrity of other parts of the city's water system.

Yes. What are the stakes? Or is it just for fun?

too crowded for me....

i agree....going off of the numbers in the article, 10 million new single family homes built since 2000, if they stop ALL construction today, they should still have enough to satisfy demand for almost 20 years! people need to wake up to the fact that the housing market is never going to rebound to the crazy levels we've seen in the past.

^sorry musky i scooped you and the local media on this story about a week ago

A really well-written commentary on some of today's major socio-economic issues (oil dependency / foreclosure crisis / retiring baby boomers) and how it relates to a reversal in suburban flight. March 2008 Atlantic Monthly The subprime crisis is just the tip of the iceberg. Fundamental changes in American life may turn today’s McMansions into tomorrow’s tenements. by Christopher B. Leinberger The URL for this article is http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200803/subprime.

BTW, I work in the advertising community and you would not believe how over-priced the PD's two entities (cleveland.com print edition) are in relation to the rest of the country. We base everything in terms of a Cost per Thousand (CPM), which allows us to compare markets on an apples-to-apples basis, and the PD's pricing is almost laughable.

I sent an email to the author of the extremely negative article from a week ago about Cleveland's decaffeinated populace and here was the response... My email: I sincerely wish that you and your PD brethren would not use every opportunity to constantly point out the shortcomings of our city. Putting aside for the moment the topic’s lack of any real journalistic substance, why turn a harmless story about coffee drinking into a Page One bashing of Cleveland? If you only chose to devote your time and platform to more meaningful endeavors, perhaps we wouldn’t have the pervasive undercurrent of city negativity brewing today. Believe in the Cleve, and don’t feed the pessimism. His response: I think you've missed my point entirely. I love Cleveland, the city where I was born, reared and where I am raising my family. However, I have a sense of humor and I've got not problem laughing both at the realities of our home -- i.e. snow in Feburary and cold windy days and potholes the size of Browns Stadium -- and the absurd "lists" people make calling us the fattest or dumbest or whatever they come up with. That story was written from the Cleveland perspective and with a sense of self that provides the confidence to laugh a little at the perceptions and the realities. And judging from the vast majority of feedback I've received, I think people got that -- and a little chuckle -- with their morning coffee, er, decaf.

when i was there, it was a saturday evening, the day after the grand opening, and I was expecting it to be moderately busy, but it really wasn't. they were almost over staffed considering the ratio of waiters to patrons, but even still, the service was lacking. it was also very evident that our waitress had exactly zero prior experience.

my girlfriend and I went to this place last night around 6ish. first impressions: amazing interior decor/atmosphere. the jazz band was great. however, it is incredibly overpriced and the food did not leave me craving more. the service was also not very good. we had to wait a very long time for our drinks and then when they brought us our white pizza and mussels, they forgot plates and silverware. when they did bring us plates, we had to dry tem off ourselves b/c we were told they just came out of the washer! all told, our bill came to $52, including tip. I had a S.A.C.K. martini $9.50 (southern comfort, amaretto, kalhua) my g/f had a now and later martini $8.50 (crown and apple pucker), a white pizza $14 that was pretty small, and an un-inspiring fried mussels appetizer $9.50. For $52, I expect to either be full or drunk, neither of which i was. long stry short, depsite the wonderful environment, i doubt i will return.

not many cities are serviced by two major dailies any longer...new york and chicago are the exceptions and not the norm... on another note: my inside sources tell me that it is confirmed Rover will be moving to mornings on WMMS. His tenure at KRock is over, I'm not sure when he will begin work over at 100.7.

what do the indovidual lofts go for?

those top two floors are going to be worth the price, whatever it may end up being...

huzzah for ohio!

welcome to the forum

Buy a book on Cleveland architecture sometime. There's countless examples of great architecture funded by corporate interests. There's even some Cleveland architecture book by some skyscraper geek, found at: http://www.amazon.com/Clevelands-Downtown-Architecture-Images-America/dp/0738532029 OK, now we're splitting hairs. The Van Sweringen brothers had controlling ownership interests in numerous large railroad companies (most were Fortune 500 companies) in this country by the end of the 1920s. And the Terminal Tower complex was built by the Cleveland Union Terminals Co., itself a $1.7 billion (in 1930 $$) corporation when the complex opened. CUT Co. was owned, in part, by the Van Sweringen brothers, as well as New York Central Inc., one of the largest companies in the world in 1930. i'm just saying we now live in a much different world than when most of these privately-held companies designed their work space. i'm not saying there don't exist exceptions to this, but they are becoming exceedingly rare... i would be very curious to see what any recently-designed present-day (1990-current) Fortune 500 headquarters look like for comparison sake. just look at walmart's or microsoft...this is what we should expect

also, the Key Tower, nee Ameritrust, WAS a large public corporation, however, if you chop off the top 50 floors, this would fit the space requirement Eaton is looking for (approx. 25,000 sq. ft/floor x 7 floors = 175,000 sq. ft). Now, with having said that, look at the bottom 7 floors that remain. Does that fall under the context of a "United States' great architectural work" as Jamiec mentions above? Certainly not. my point is that everyone needs to temper their expectations given who we are dealing with....

those are some pretty photos, but the terminal tower for one i know was financed by the van sweringen brothers, real estate speculators...not a Fortune 500 publicly-traded company.

re really? care to name a few of these such examples in cleveland?

they are an extremely large company with only an interest on how these plans impact their bottom-line and their shareholder's stakes. although it would be nice for them to build with an eye towards aesthetically pleasing architectural stylings and special care for the overall urban fabric of a city, unfortunately, more often than not, the impetus behind these decisions are driven by cost and nothing else.

"Jizy", I can tell, is one cool dude.

they should rework the ohio state seal to include a picture of an orange barrel.

^^^it only means that the stadium would have to be tailored around the playing of soccer. i.e. less seating, sightlines suited for soccerr matches, etc. Look at Columbus' field for a great example of this... ...to dovetail on what MTS mentioned...Brad Fiedel is doing many of the things you suggest, only out on the West side of town http://www.premiersocceracademies.com/index2.html ...maybe MLS could tie it in with his soccer academy?

i apologize if this has been asked before...but honestly i did a thorough search all through this site and the internet and found nothing...does anyone have pictures of what the view is like inside of the Marcel Bruer tower??? The 360 degree sightlines have to be amazing...The Jake, Downtown, Terminal Tower, looking North towards the lake, etc...anyone...MayDay?