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I was wondering why this thread has been so quiet as of late. I suppose, at least for the purpose of the narrative being pushed in this discussion, no news is good news..... U.S. growth revised higher, economy on firmer footing WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. economy grew at its fastest pace in almost two years in the third quarter, the government said on Friday as it revised its estimates of business and consumer spending higher. The broad revisions hinted at some underlying strength, which could help the economy better absorb the blow from an anticipated cutback in inventory accumulation this quarter. The Federal Reserve on Wednesday gave the economy a vote of confidence, announcing it would reduce its $85 billion monthly bond purchases by $10 billion starting in January. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-third-quarter-growth-raised-133145552.html

Hasn't that always been the case? Perhaps. But when I was more "in tune" with who was doing what, it didn't seem that way. It was taken as an insult if some Cleveland or EC kids came up starting trouble..... such as the group of Shaw students who had their car tipped over in the parking lot behind Cedar-Lee circa 1995. I recall a kid when I was in HS who had robbed a bank right near the HS and then ran back across the street and went to class like nothing happened. There were probably more shootings back then too involving CH kids. Let me guess - "how's that diversity thingy workin' out for ya, Cleveland Heights!" It never fails.

^And people wonder why the rest of the country thinks Ohio is so dad'gum 'country'......

I am not sure if there is indeed a spike in crime in CH. But there certainly seems to be a big spike in non-CH residents committing crimes in CH. It seems, lately, that more than half of the people arrested are from either Cleveland or EC.

Uncertainty or perhaps willful blindness to the investigatory records exception is hardly limited to CH - http://www.dispatch.com/content/blogs/your-right-to-know/2013/11/incident-reports.html. The above PID article is a bit misleading, IMO, about the reach of the Supreme Court's decisions on this issue. There still is a case-by-case analysis which must be employed prior to declaring the report a public record. As usual, the media and law enforcement are at opposite extremes in terms of determining the law on this issue. The media wants everything right away.... no exceptions. Law enforcement wants to limit their immediate disclosure requirements as much as possible. FWIW, it seems like the PD is correct in this specific case.

Welcome to our world. The Browns got flagged on an "illegal hit" a few weeks ago, which wasn't ruled illegal when the NFL reviewed. The resulting penalty essentially gave NE the win. From the article - As we understand the rules, Garvin was free to hit Huber as hard as physically possible -- just not with the crown of his helmet above the punter's neckline. I agree with that. If he had just used his shoulder, the hit would have been legal regardless of whether Huber was a punter or the resulting injury.

Idk which is worse - having mediocre to bad teams or having teams that come so close and then lose in heartbreaking fashion. The most disgusted I have probably ever been with the Cavs was at the end of both the 2009 and 2010 seasons...... and those were the best years, record-wise, in franchise history. The one thing I do love about this town is that we aren't a fair-weather, bandwagon jumping fanbase....... well, maybe we are somewhat with the Indians ;) This Cavs team won't win a championship this year, but they are a seriously fun team to watch. I agree with Lebron that last night might have been the best game of the NBA season. Both teams scored plenty and it wasn't due to lack of defense. The execution was crisp and the shots were falling. There were something like 30 lead changes.

^Because the garage attached to 113 St. Clair was demolished for the Med Mart, the Huntington is really the only garage that serves the Justice Center (there is a tunnel which runs under Lakeside) and old county courthouse. It is usually fairly full. I fear that dedicating spaces in the Huntington to the hotel is going to have the effect of making the WHD surface lots that much more profitable. Willard is used, obviously, for City Hall and is also usually fairly full. It is rare that either Willard or Huntington are at max capacity, but finding a spot can be difficult if you get there at the wrong time. There is a ton of ingress/egress from both garages throughout the day.

I don't recall any such consensus. As a matter of fact, I think only myself and one other poster agreed with the media's general guideline on the issue..... even though it seems to be accepted widely in the journalistic field. I got the feeling that the overwhelming majority of commenters who posted on the issue thought race of the suspect should be identified each time the media reports on crimes. Of course, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of members simply chose not to weigh in. But, point being, there definitely was no consensus. If you feel the information is useful, so that other members might be able to identify the suspects from amongst the metro's population and/or avoid contact with a particular skin color, I know of no board rule which would prevent you from sharing it.

We don't? Since when? Do you not read this thread often? It is as much about race as it is about crime...... just review the past week or so. Was some board rule released which I missed? You may be confusing this Board's rules with the fairly common journalistic standard we've discussed before. But I doubt it. More likely, you are attacking the board with a strawman argument for whatever unknown motive.

Maybe they could just put some protective gear on a catcher...... such as a face mask, helmet, and padding around much of the torso and legs. jk..... I don't have much of a problem with the rule. Baseball is not a contact sport.

Idk. It looked as if Huber had a chance to make a tackle and the block certainly cleared the path for the return man to keep running. The Browns kickers forced Hester out of bounds twice this past week and kickers in general are known to make touchdown saving tackles. They are still professional athletes and some even run in the 4.6 range. 2 years ago, that would be considered a great block. Return teams routinely assigned cross-blockers who would, instead of backpedaling, go at a diagonal towards the sideline and then come in at an angle to pick off unsuspecting coverage team members. If it was my call, it would all come down to whether he led with the helmet. If he did, then it should be a flag. But if he hit him that hard using his shoulder (hard to tell from the GIF), then it is a clean play. Like I said, if Huber doesn't want to risk injury, then don't go after the ball carrier. What if there was no blocker and Huber had laid Brown out? Would that have been a penalty?

^That doesn't make sense. If that really is the correct application/interpretation of the rule, then kickers/punters shouldn't be allowed to tackle the return man. They should just kick the ball and then be forced to run off the field.

I'm still trying to grow accustomed to the current NFL where getting "earholed" is considered an illegal hit. Don't get me wrong, I understand the rationale...... it's still just weird. I'd have to see another angle on that hit. From the above gif, it's hard to tell if he truly was leading with the crown of the helmet or his right shoulder. Was he flagged?

I don't see what the issue is. OSU is the OHIO State University and NEO is particularly fond of its football team. I can think of countless other examples..... such as UNC hoops being a much bigger deal in Charlotte than the NBA Bobcats.

Laughing stock of the nation? I highly doubt that. Up here in NEO, if 1 out of 10 people even knew that Cincy was building a streetcar, I would be highly surprised. It's a huge local issue, for sure. But nobody around the nation - save for the train geeks (sorry, KJP) - is paying much attention.

^Doubt it. That's an old Chrysler plant, right? I don't see Ford buying it. If there is any local impact, I would think it likely to be an expansion/re-opening at Brook Park. That plant is only operating at a fraction of original capacity.

^The hiring process is quite selective. Thousands of applicants take the examination and maybe only a hundred or so will ultimately get an appointment during the life of the resulting eligibility lists. Because the scoring is so bunched together, 'extra credit' points play a huge factor. Affirmative action has been eliminated (that used to play a large role in both police and fire hiring for the city). At present, if you are not a military veteran or can meet the residency criteria (1 year of continuous residency prior to submitting the application to test), you need not apply. The 10 points you get for residency will cause you to leapfrog hundreds of applicants. I personally feel that this diminishes the objective criteria the examiners use to test the applicants and therefore unfortunately limits the pool of candidates. You can literally score a 100% on the test and not be high enough on the eligibility list to even be certified by the civil service commission for the appointing authority's consideration. With regard to EC, again.... it's not so much the police response which a problem, but the police presence. 4 patrol cars per shift. 4...... for a city with perhaps the most foot traffic in all of Ohio. Worse yet, the criminal element knows it and I would bet my bottom dollar that it skews the crime stats. KJP - sorry to hear about the family thing

^^I highly doubt anyone is teaching kids that they are screwed and there is no hope. If anything, they are being given a distorted view via the "you can grow up to be anything you want to be" line...... no, you really can't be anything you want to be. Everyone has their limitations. They are learning that the hard way through life experience and it pisses them off..... which makes large portions of the lower class susceptible to the bad apples. This is a major reason IMO why we see the majority of these crimes being committed by those young, 16-24 year olds who no longer see any light at the end of the tunnel. I have a sister who teaches at a public school in Comptom. She says out of a school of 400-500, she and her fellow teachers could name 20-30 kids who are effectively spoiling the whole lot. Those kids need to be removed. Not totally shoved out on the street a la the strategy seen "Lean on Me", but instead placed in programs like what Cleveland Heights used to have with Taylor Academy. When I was in school, just the threat of being sent to Taylor was usually enough to straighten a kid out.

No. I'm done. It's just an internet forum. Sorry you took it as an "attack", but I stand by everything I said. If anything said was innappropriate, I'm sure a disinterested moderator can weigh in.

I didn't attack your credibility. I simply offered my own perspective, based on my own experiences and knowledge. That is allowed, right? The issue of credibility was not even raised until you alleged mine was eroding.

Calm down ;) I have quite a bit of expertise in this field. I work primarily with safety forces.... from all over the metro. You may not be an engineer, but I bet you know a thing or two about trains. Now let's lay off the credibility attacks. It's unbecoming.

^^Frankly, I don't get the concept. Where would we move them to? China? Mexico?

^Calm down? C'mon man. Nobody is getting excited.... at least not on this side of the keyboard. That's your perception. I have a different one, based on much more than conversations/interviews with former disgruntled CPPA presidents. Loomis? It depends on what day you caught him on. His job (as any CPPA president) is very difficult since they have the pleasure of dealing on a daily basis with those officers who are the bad apples.... the ones who get disciplined, the ones who don't follow SOPs/SOGs, the 10% who cost the union 90% of its defense funds. Trying to compare surburban police officers and city cops is like trying to compare the dedication and performance of a teacher at Orange HS with one at East Tech. Different world... different realities.

What is shown throughout the world and accross the races/cultures is that violent crime is bred out of economic despair and a feeling of hopelessness. Whether it be Eastern Europe, Central Africa, the Middle-East, wherever.... violent crime is disproportionately committed by the have-nots. Something like 70% of our inmates here in the USA don't have a HS diploma (this fact holds true in places like Montana for those who think this correlation does not cross racial/cultural lines). Those who don't have HS diplomas almost uniformily had poor educational foundations from the start of early childhood. Statistics have shown a measurable increase in felonies committted by those people who didn't have quality pre-school during their childhood. Investing in programs like Head Start will not rid the country of crime. Nothing will. But it is an investment worth making and might have the best statistical evidence of actually making a difference. Making the penalties harsher or lighter doesn't seem to be doing much anywhere. Take for instance that states with the death penalty consistently over the years have higher murder rates than states without the death penalty. And jails are essentially breeding grounds for criminals and gangs nowadays. What 'Andy' from Shawshank Redemption said about having to go to jail to become a criminal probably has some truth to it in more cases than we care to admit. I'm not arguing for lighter penalties, I'm simply suggesting that adjustments to the same have little (if any) effect.