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It would depend on what color hair the rednecks had... But seriously, I am not giving anyone any benefit of the doubt. I just was going by our only eye-witness who has commented on this site (which appears to be the only one bothering to make a story out of the racial angle of it).

Good. Then it had nothing to do with race, politics, etc. Just a couple of drunk a%%holes (which come in all shapes and colors) trying to act tough.

I only asked because there were two flags and all of the comments seem to represent that the harrasers were shouting "f%ck your flag" (in the singular). Unfortunately, the Gaddsen Flag, which use to stand for American unity, is now used to symbolize American division/partinsanship (ever since it becoming the de facto symbol of the Tea Party in 2009/2010), and a lot of people assign a meaning similar to that of the Confederate Flag.... both those flying the flag and those shaking their heads at it. Speculation, for sure..... but as long as we're speculating.....

What is the yellow flag the one on the right is carrying in the cleveland.com link?

I didn't see any of that until our 2's were in on defense. St. Loius first score was with our 2's on the field when they were still playing their 1's

So they came accross two idiots and got into a verbal confrontation. Sad, but not anywhere near the initial post of getting jumped by a "group of African-Americans". The OP should be modified, especially with the way false rumors like this spread like wildfire on the internet. Before you know it, the Drudge Report will have a headline "Travel Alert: Local Cleveland Woman Confirms Flag Bearing Vets Beat to a Pulp By Roving Group of Black Thugs"

^Does every issue of discussion boil down to race for you?

^If they did get jumped, that would be criminal assault. I don't do FB, so I can't read whatever is on there.

That's probably a better descriptor to use. JMO. We also should probably be a little more hesitant in spreading these stories after the Sheppers episode.

I liked what I saw. We dominated the 1's vs. the 1's. The offense moved the ball fairly easily against a solid Rams defense. And how bout Travis Benjamin? He might quickly become one of the most electric punt returners in the league.

I can't say that I've seen a lot of kids on bicycles in downtown at any point of the day, and particularly not past midnight. I also usually don't see alot of kids over 12 riding bicycles either. These are the ones that are 'starting trouble'? I don't think kids that age should be out that late period.... but the real troublemakers IMO tend to be in the 18-21 range. That's why I don't think that curfew enforcement will really solve any percieved problem.

Taken from the WHD developments thread: Are the 'underage kids' older or younger than 18? I would bet a mixture of both, which might make enforcement difficult for the police, or at least give the appearance that the curfew is not being enforced. The idea we have floated on this board a few times is perhaps tightening the access points for certain peak hours and definitely around closing time on the weekends. The City needs to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, like what was arguably (by design or not) done with the Flats. I would guess that the main issues occur between 10pm and 230am Thurs-Sat. It's unfortunate to hear that some problems still linger, but it does seem like the issues have indeed calmed down a bit from a couple summers ago.

I'm commenting on this here - http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,23450.175.html - which is the more appropriate thread for these concerns.

Just watching Salazar's mechanics, I'd be concerned with his longevity as a starter. The arm motion on his heater has a lot of snap to it, as opposed to the longer mechanics of someone like Randy Johnson or Nolan Ryan.

The footprint of the actual tower for the Marriot is small. The lower floors are twice as large as the tower itself.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/

The demolition thread is not a project thread. As for your view of my posts, I think it is a matter of perception. I see you doing the same thing. Anytime someone challenges your opinion, you get overly defensive. I like to rib sometimes, and I do apologize if you get insulted. Some people have thinner skin than I am accustomed to. Regardless, I think this is an issue to raise either through PM or with the mods..... as probably is my thoughts on thread mergers.

If a financially backed alternative was put forth, I'd be all for it. I'm only looking at what's on the table and am in no way opposed to tweaking plans to the point where they will be more attractive yet still be financially viable. My apologies for reciprocating Then why not continue the discussion in the Cleveland Demolitions thread? These general negativity/venting threads simply duplicate discussion that have been ongoing for years at UO. I'm all for preservation, but I also realize that we have a lot of structures, albeit attractive on the outside, which are impractical to save. The one thing that continually gets lost in these discussion is financing requirements. Forumers like to blast City Hall and the developers, but never consider the financing requirements which are attached to the deals by private lenders and the implications of property rights when economically viable alternatives are not presented. I think you all undestimate the extent of these requirements and the factors which are considered and often preclude the type of urbanity you desire.

Watch out for this kid Dontre Wilson, a true freshman who can play WR and RB. Most likely, Meyer will put him at that hybrid position occupied last year by Philly Brown. Reports from camp indicate he is really standing out in terms of being an electric playmaker/speedster

I'm all for it and the City does indeed encourage such development when the market allows for it. The problem with your approach is you want 'recognizable urbanity' on every street in the entire metro and perpetuate the typical Cleveland negativity when it doesn't happen. That's not a realistic or pragmatic approach. To the extent that our realistic choices are strip plazas (which have relatively short life spans) in low density areas vs. continual abandonment and decay (which is contageous to the surrounding areas), I'll take the latter. You can't just jump from empty lots to a gentrified, urban paradise without adding some necessary infrastructure and infill. True, sustainable urban density evolves. In the real world, it is built more out of necessity than any desire for chicness. To draw a bad analogy, I see your approach leading to a Dubai-esque skyline (which popped up out of nowhere due to the mere desire for tall buildings), not an NYC or Chicago skyline (which evolved over many, many years based on density levels necessitating the need to build up).

No. But I do think Strickland losing the election might have helped Obama. Strickland would have never signed SB5. There would have never been the massive pushback against State GOPers which translated into a net positive in 2012 for Obama.

Nah.... him and DWade are absolute divas when it comes to their bodies. In fact, I saw something a few weeks ago alleging some connection with the biogenesis lab

You let me know the next time you find me "opposing" any mixed use development

I've most likely done so in numerous threads in which you raise this same discussion. It might be hard to grasp from way up on your mountaintop, but let me try again. I'd take a more pragmatic approach. I prefer to nurture development first and STRATEGICALLY encourage urban development when realistically possible, but stop short of insisting on anything that will result in no development and leave large inner-city neighborhoods void of the amenities the residents desire. I'd target specific areas such as Downtown, UC, LI, GS, Tremont, OC, Waterloo, etc. to allow urban development to NATURALLY flourish and thrive to the point that it NATURALLY spreads into surrounding areas, not because that is someone's fantasy, but because the market demands it. I wouldn't spread so thin my resources, political capital and leverage wagging my finger at developments in neighborhoods which are so bare that a mixed use development would stick out like a sore thumb and fail to achieve any of the goals mixed use developments reach in the right environment. I wouldn't put a skycraper at 65th and Euclid and I wouldn't put Uptown (or anything like it) at 87th and Superior.

The threads can be merged. You're discussing.... the same issue. Meanwhile, maybe I'll start a thread to discuss how to spend other people's money and one on the issue of how to stagnate progress with patently unrealistic and.... wait for it...... 'grossly incompetent' demands.