Hts121

Some of you need to take a look at the NAACP's day-to-day activities and accomplishments over the decades. If you were talking about Forbes, individually, I may agree that his focus should be elsewhere. But the organization as a whole is well-intentioned and does much more than just hold press conferences and point fingers.

Unless the NAACP and Forbes has some evidence beyond the security cameras, I would say an apology is in order for this off-duty police officer: Police say race not issue in 2 men's Warehouse District arrest, much of which is on video It shows the two young men and their friends at the exit of a busy club at closing time, smiling and talking with young ladies. Bouncers can be seen approaching the pair and their friends several times and pointing the way out, as a racially mixed crowd streams past. The bar video shows no physical contact between the men and security guards inside the club and no apparent verbal confrontation, either. Outside, an altercation ensues. A camera posted above West Sixth Street catches both Ruiz and Parilla stepping backward out of the club, followed by Officer Anthony Sauto, who motions them to keep moving. In his police report, Sauto said Ruiz and Parilla defied a bouncer and that he helped to escort them out. There is no physical contact, but Ruiz and Parilla are clearly shouting at Sauto, who is in uniform, and jabbing fingers toward his face. An enhanced version of the video, viewed by The Plain Dealer, shows Ruiz at one point grabbing Sauto's arm and the police officer pushing his hand away. Moments later, Ruiz appears to push Sauto, who falls back, momentarily off balance. That's when a security guard grabs Ruiz from behind, pinning his arms. The police officer and the security guard move both Ruiz and Parilla toward a street lined with parked cars. In an earlier interview, Ruiz said the officer threw him down on the hood of a car and punched him several times in the face. In his police report, Sauto said Ruiz was resisting arrest and he struck him in the face to subdue him. The video shows a struggle ensuing for several minutes, but distance and passersby on West Sixth mar the view. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/09/police_say_race_not_an_issue_i.html Depending on what occured when out of view of the cameras, there may be a use of force issue, but alleging racial animus appears to be nothing more than speculation on the NAACP's part. If I was working on this case with the City, I would also be investigating Forbes and his daughter for any subterfuge.

I like your taste, Robert. And I agree with MayDay.... if I had the money, my dream would be to have more than one place. Definitely one in Cleveland as home is home, a beach house on the Pacific Ocean, and something modest with a LOT of land down south. I suppose a little something in NYC as well. Cleveland from April-June, hit the beach for the summer, back to Cleveland for the fall and early winter through the Holidays, and down south for January-March, with trips to NYC peppered in throughout the year.

Cross-posted from the Obama Presidency thread. I thought it might have some relevance here given the location of the announcement. When making such an announcement, Presidents almost always tie in the local angles:

From page 2 of this thread: This is a 150 unit building with prices from $525 - $575 (all units are studios & all units include all utilities). Utilities included in the price, if that wasn't clear.

Does not appear to be anything new. Keep in mind that the MM is just a massing, I believe..... although it appears the footprint has expanded a bit since the first renderings for the Mall CC/MM were put on that site. But the detailed design of that building has not been released... and may not even be finalized yet. I remember MMPI saying a year or so ago that it would be a cutting edge design. The rest of the renderings on the website were released a few weeks ago and can be found upthread.

With our wideouts, how can we not take a look at TJ? I have never heard of any 'cancerous' effect he has in the locker room.

Here's a few things to consider: The Coltman surroundings are going to get a lot better. There was some kind of legal dispute over some strip in that parking lot. Last we heard - RTA has been talking about moving the main UC rapid station to just east of the overpass on Mayfield Rd. Then, of course, there is the Uptown project which just broke ground and will surely liven up that strip of Euclid Avenue right around the corner from Coltman. It has a lot of things going for it and a ton of potential.

Yeah... we have a different definition. Absolutely. To me, thugs are defined by their actions, not how they dress or what car they drive. But by your definition, I guess all the Italian cast members on Jersey shore are thugs. But I wasn't saying that thugs have to be poor.... I was just suggesting how most cleveland.com posters view thugs. Not myself.

Everything looked great... except special teams and, to an extent, the defensive secondary.

That Hardesty's knees are more fragile than my grandmother's china?

Whatever... executives or not, the point was that they were not your garden variety 'thugs' as so many would have presumed if not otherwise stated. For the purposes of any point I (not Forbes/NAACP/PD) was making, it doesn't matter if they were executives or secretaries. I agree though that this SHOULD be a non-story. My point was that we unnecessarily emphasize 'white victim' stories as much as we do 'black victim' stories. The PD just runs with it when it sounds juicy. Two suburban white kids get beat up in a location where 10 minorities were assaulted in the past week alone.... the PD will run with it. Two black kids get beat up by a white off duty police officer in an area where the NAACP and others have already played the race card yet white kids get roughed up by bouncers too.... the PD will run with it.

^I think you are referring to the Landmark Office towers which X mentioned. They are part of the TC complex and they definitely do blight the skyline driving in from the west.

This really is nothing new. 'Opinions' as to rate of speed have always been admissible in court.... cops or not. The question in this case, I believe, is if such an opinion, on its own, could be enough to convict. Sure, it COULD be, but the State/City/whatever still has to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. Any advocate worth his salt could beat a charge based SOLELY on the officer's observation.

Not sure if this can be considered a 'railfan thing' but our new BRT certainly would fall within a 'mass-transitfan thing'. It really is a fascinating system which cities are considering last I heard. It pretty much operates just like light rail.

As a resident, how does this discussion factor into your recommendation? - http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,23450.0.html

I keep saying it... but the Indian population around me is absolutely exploding. It's so noticeable because the neighborhood was always mostly white and black... no asians, latinos, etc. for the most part and the Indian immigrants certainly are a 'walkable' crowd. I see them walking all along Noble and Green where the low-rent apartments on either of those roads can be found between Monticello and Mayfield. These are not medical residents or students. These are families.

Somebody needs to take Forbes out of the equation here. He is not helping. At the very least, the NAACP needs to acknowledge that the bouncers and police have, indeed, been challenged this summer. Personally, I think we need to close off the street to those who are not old enough to patronize the establishments. Try that first and see if it works. Nothing will ever make violence in the WHD go away, but not having the teenagers loitering could only help ease the growing tension. Actually.... there was media coverage to this event which occured basically in the projects. In fact, despite the fact that police reports showed multiple assaults in those projects within the surrounding weeks, the beating of these white kids was the only one reported by the Plain Dealer. An inner-city kid gets shot, stabbed, beat, whatever... it is a non-story... barely mentioned. Suburban white kids get shot, stabbed, beat while in the City and we get the type of coverage which was given to the Perk Park shootings. Plus, as for the OUTRAGE you seek, the "Morehouse College" grads were allegedly beaten by off-duty police officers, while the white kids who "got lost" were beaten by thugs. Much different situation. As for the "Morehouse College" references, I imagine that might be a pre-emptive strike on all those cleveland.bomb commentors who would have went on rants and labeled this incident as off duty police vs. a couple "thugs" simply because the alleged victims were black. Be honest with yourself, if you were to hear of an off-duty cop getting into an altercation with two young black males on West 6th, what would you assume?... that it was two bank executives and recent grads of a highly respected college, or two local thugs?

A few of my friends thought so as well... then moved away when they realized they were wrong.

That wasn't a good solution IMHO. I don't like the possibility of playing 2 weeks in a row. They should have split it up geographically, like so: East: PSU, OSU, Mich., MSU, IU, Purdue West: Ill., NW, Wisc, Iowa, Minn., Nebraska Balance of power would have been pretty even too. A little heavy in the east, but not that much. OSU-Mich game could have remained as the final regular season game with the potential for the game to determine who will play in the B10 championship game.

So Hts, you dream about John Boehner being caught up in gay sex escapades? Personally, I never pictured him as being a sex symbol, but I guess I get your point.. sort of a "so wrong but so right," type deal? :D Not bad.... for a right winger

What do you mean?

... if there was ever a republican congressman I would love to see get caught up in a gay sex scandal.... One can dream at least.

That is a great location though. She may want to check it out. Pretty much centrally located between Cedar-Fairmount, Coventry and UC. Walkable to all three.

You paged me? ;) Not sure how it would be determined, but I will put CH up to the Pepsi challenge any day in terms of diversity.... and not just racially, but economically, religiously, socially, pretty much any factor (well.... except politically I guess as we are pretty da//n 'blue' around these parts.