Hts121

Another impressive showing from a physicality standpoint. Lawrence Vickers may have surpassed Josh Cribbs as my favorite Brown. Anyone know where to get a #47 jersey?

Change to what? You should also stop singing the company line and do some fact-checking on what the Kasich campaign has convince you of, hook, line and sinker. Objective observers have found the claim to be 'half-true' - http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2010/aug/03/republican-governors-association/republican-governors-association-says-ohio-lost-40/

Not sure what that video has to do with ole Johnny boy other than it starts off with him. BTW, it is terribly un-American, IMO, to say that we must not only support the Troops but also support the war. I couldn't disagree more with the subtext in the video. If we could go back in time, I would still oppose the invasion..... even more passionately I'm sure.

The apartments are staying. The retail section was always slated for demolition.... to make way for both the Uptown and MOCA projects.

I took a ride last night and swung by the site. One excavator and a porta-potty, not much else. No construction trailer. It could be getting started, but I sure wouldn't call it 'full steam ahead'

Weird.... that's exactly how I feel about the present day right-wing ;) But if you are so worried about 'moderate Muslims' being marginalized, why not throw your support behind a moderate Muslim, such as the one behind the GZM. What kind of message are we sending by villifying him in the court of public opinion.

Strickland - I know what I will get. He is the safer pick. Kasich - He's a swing for the fences. High risk, but possible high reward.

The parallels in the criticism are obvious to me. That's why it is a clever analogy. Not saying there are any parallels between the rally and the mosque. BTW, I hear MLK's second cousin will not be a speaker at the rally. And I think you should read up on the Imam for the GZM. He does refute radicalism and intolerance in any 'world'.

The Beck rally is a very clever analogy. How ironic

I think you are overexaggerating the level of specifics I was asking for. If he wants to lead an administration that is going to push for spending cuts, I will insist that he identify at least the areas he plans to target. I realize how government works, although I fear that a lot of the electorate that buys into the stump talk (from whatever side) does not. I know he can lay out a plan and it may never materialize.... but at least we know where his aim is. If he said he was going to cut x amount of dollars from x program, and then never was able to realize those cuts despite efforts, you certainly won't see me posting some left wing blog lambasting Kasich for not living up to campaign promises (promises the blogger never desired in the first place, ironically).

But then he will have a bunch of angry old men screaming at him with signs saying "keep your filthy government hands off of my government pension!"

There you go with "pointless questions"... I like a coach who has a game plan other than "we are going to hit the ball, throw the ball and catch the ball." I am not asking him to make promises. I am asking for his specific "ideas"...... but, by your responses, I guess he does not have any? As for campaign stump talk and not being able to follow through due to realities, I am going to sick you on Scrabble and Tedolph the next time either one brings that up in the Obama thread. For my personal feelings on the race and the two candidates presented, just go back and read this page. And I have no hostility towards fiscal restraint. Your detection system must need some calibrating. Regardless, you should get off the topic you love so much ("Hts121") and get back on the issues at the center of this campaign so we can continue discussion about the candidates. If you are unable to discuss the issues without getting personal, maybe you (as DanB would suggest) should take a timeout.

I can't speak for Akronites, but I don't think that Clevelanders (in general) hate or despise any of our fellow NEO cities. Well.... maybe there is a little hate for Y-town only because of the divide caused by the Steelers-Browns rivalry. I think Akron's (or any other NEO city's) achievements and successes are celebrated in Cleveland. Generally speaking, I would like to think that we view NEO as one unified region. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

10-4 Captain. I'll refrain from inquiring into specifics. I get it. He's running on lowering taxes and reigning in the budget. He should be a lock... unless the Dems find somebody willing to run on job growth and healthy babies. And for the record I am NOT a Strickland 'supporter'. Go back and read up before going on a pointless rant.

Sounds good. What specific parts of the budget will he reign in? How exactly does a Governor reign in the budget? Who's taxes is he going to lower and by exactly how much? How exactly does a Governor lower taxes? Is this done through Executive Order?

I don't think it comes down to marketing. I think it comes down to reality. Cleveland simply has more to offer FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO DRIVE 30 MINUTES TO SEE SOMETHING. And this goes back to my original point. There are far, FAR more people that are willing to drive 30 minutes to see one of the 'Big 5'.... or to see a Broadway show on tour.... or to see a professional sports team play.... or to visit the RRHOF, than there are people who are willing to do the same to visit a rubber museam. So, to be clear, I am not saying that Cleveland has superior parks, grocery stores, or chain restaraunts. It just has more and better stuff that you WON'T find in the other City. JMO of course, since this is all subjective ;)

KEY WORDS. Re-read my post. I wasn't saying that CP is better than KI overall or that its overall draw of attendees from the other half of the state is greater (although I would suspect that to be the case). But CP clearly has superior roller coasters. Therefore, the flow of 'die-hard coaster junkies' will be disproportionate. I'm sure that KI is a great time, but there is only one roller coaster capital and it draws visitors from all over the globe, including any die-hards who may live in Cincy. Same thing applies here, Cleveland may not be a better City to live in than Akron, but it clearly has superior attractions for visitors. Therefore, the flow of Akron residents visiting Cleveland is disproportionate (no proof beyond common sense and logic) to tje flow of Cleveland residents visiting Akron for the purpose of visiting each respective city's attractions. Would you dispute that? Now, don't go trying to twist it into some suggestion that Akron has nothing to offer, or that Akronites should foresake their own attractions. The point is rather simple and obvious - Akronites are more familiar with and frequent Cleveland's attractions more than Clevelanders are familiar with and frequent Akron's attractions.

I never said there should be more interaction. I think we are debating the actual levels of interaction, not what those levels should be. And nobody is suggesting that Akronites should look at their museam and say "screw this, we're going to Clevleand's." I just think that more Akronites would be more inclined to visit both than Clevelanders. Suppose you have two individuals who LOVE roller-coasters. One lives in Sandusky and the other lives in Cincinnati. I think that common sense could lead to the conclusion that it is perfectly possible that while the individual from Cincy will visit both King's Island AND Cedar Point each summer, the individual from Sandusky will go to CP each summer and may never visit KI one time in his/her lifetime.

I purposefully did not mention the lake because, frankly, Cleveland unfortunately does not have a draw for the lake the way places like the Geneva and Sandusky areas do. When Akronites plan a trip to Lake Erie, I highly doubt Edgewater or North Coast Harbor is what they have their eye on. Hopefully we will do something about that eventually. It is an asset we have that is drastically underutilized.

Nobody ever said that it was like a quick trip to the store. The part you bolded was in response to JamesMatthews' post. Go back and read that. I suppose it was just his personal opinion, but I would think/hope that is not the general opinion among Akronites - i.e. that Cleveland has no drawing power. CDM, I am not sure how many people actually have an interest in going to a rubber museam, but I am sure some Clevelanders do make that trip. The art museam, once again, Clevelanders would go to if they truly loved art and I'm sure many visitors are from Cleveland. However, would anyone legitimately argue that CMA is not far superior? Especially considering it is free and the tours it gets, I would think it is a far bigger draw. Frankly, I would be shocked if the flow of 'tourist' (or whatever you want to call it) traffic is equal.... but I also think that the discrepancy is perfectly justified. You wouldn't argue that more Chicagoans actually do or should travel to Milwaukee than the other way around?

I don't think that there is any implication that "Akron relies on Cleveland as some sort of tourist weekend getaway".... I don't think ANYONE relies on Cleveland, or any other major Ohio city, as a tourist weekend getaway. I was simply responding to the notion that Cleveland has nothing to offer for Akronites. On the contrary, Cleveland has plenty of attractions that Akron simply does not..... the type of attractions that would cause you commit a 1 hour round trip in the car. Also, the point is that, unlike say someone from Dayton or Cincinnati, a trip to Cleveland for someone from Akron is just a hop, skip and a jump. You certainly don't need to commit an entire weekend.... you just need a few hours. For someone from Akron to go enjoy an afternoon in downtown Cleveland, they would probably have to commit only an additoinal 30 minutes of their day compared to the time I would have to commit.

The 'basics' perhaps.... but 'basics' are not going to make me drive 30 minutes. I have all the 'basics' on the eastside of Cleveland and I don't venture elsewhere to find them. The question as I see it is, does Akron have anything 'comparable' to Playhouse Square, Severance Hall, the Zoo, GLSC, the sports venues you already mentioned, etc? If those particular attractions were not in Cleveland, but rather 30 minutes south, you better believe I would be making the trip. On the other hand, and not meant in anyway to demean, Akron has very little by way of attractions which will cause me to drive 30 minutes that Cleveland does not. I will say that Cleveland has nothing like 'May Day' (does that still happen every year?), but I grew out of that type of scene a while back. I don't believe that anyone is arguing that people from Akron need to come here to eat at Applebee's, shop at Radio Shack or go to a bar. I certainly don't go to Parma to find those things (well.... I don't go to Parma period).

Some people are complacent in a bubble I suppose.... but, honestly, who here would live in Akron and NOT, from time to time, take the short trek up I-77 or Rt. 8 for certain attractions you just can't find there. Nobody that I know who lives in or near Akron. The Sports venues, the Zoo, the theatres, the orchestra, the dining, and other attractions such as RRHOF, GLSC, and CMA to name a few. Akron's equivalents just don't compare, although its art museam is nothing to thumb the nose at. It's not a knock... just reality. I would never say that NYC or Chicago don't draw me on any level. I love the fact that those two great cities are so close and I try to go to each at least once a year. If they were 30 minutes away, I would be there every weekend I'm sure. Not comparing Cleveland to either NYC or Chicago, but I'm just trying to wrap my mind around the thought of how (outside of personal animosity) I could possibly live in Akron and not take advantage of Cleveland's offerings.

I agree with the ESB owner, although I don't necessarily think anything 'should' be done about it. I feel the same way about the Key Center in downtown Cleveland and the way it overwhelms the Terminal Tower.

^^^I think so. I think we view Akron as being part of the Cleveland area, Greater Cleveland, Cleveland+, whatever you want to call it. To be honest, we probably view all of NEO that way. A one team concept, if you will. As far as familiarity, it depends on the Clevelander. I make it down to Akron a lot for work, so I certainly am familiar with the City. I also use the Airport, which isn't THAT much farther than Hopkins for me. Here is an interesting question: With Route 8 and the eastside suburbs which happen to fall in Summit County's geographic boundaries, I am wondering whether there is a difference in how this issue is viewed by eastside and westside Clevelanders. FWIW, I feel much more connected to Akron than I do to the western suburbs of Cleveland. I go there more often and I know my way around better. But that is understandable.... who wants to go to the westside anyways.... it smells over there like trash... and then you have the rubbish to deal with too (just.... kidding.... no.... really)