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Fellow Clevelanders need to of here and take the trash talk to the appropriate thread - http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24122.0.html. Reds fans -

Was just on the playground on Tuesday with my son. VERY nice. I especially like how they used the flat rubber surface as opposed to woodchips or cut up tires. We also walked through the little urban garden in the back corner, which is an impressive little co-op effort.

Is there any difference in the impact the three designs will have at ground level. I mean, it is nice and all to look at the bridges from a distance, but what about the land beneath the bridges? Are any of the three designs more affable to development opportunities in the valley? Are the "legs" (or whatever they are called) essentially the same regardless of design or does one of the designs offer the possibility of fewer legs placed farther apart? One of the reasons I like the open web design is that it will probably be the best the look up at, if you know what I mean.

Yes. There are up-down duplexes and side-by-side duplexes here in the Cleveland area and lots of them. The up-down duplexes are very common in parts of Cleveland and Lakewood, and more sporadically in other areas. Some are converted to be like that but most were built that way. Sometimes there is a third unit on the top floor. From what I understand, it was popular for immigrants who would share a multi-family house with their relatives. The side-by-side duplexes are more common in the Heights area (especially on corner lots). The side-by-sides resemble colonials on the inside and out, while the up-downs have much more of an apartment feel on the inside. FWIW, I would not recommend the Collinwood area for you. If you were an artist or on a smaller budget, I might. But your options allow you to rent/buy into the more desirable areas. I personally love that area, but it would be far from my first choice if my options were wide open.

I would seriously consider locking up that unit at 668 if I was you. I didn't think there was any availability. HOWEVER, given that there is a waiting list, I would wonder why that particular unit is still available. I have not seen any mention of the areas around University Circle, but given your price range, you may want to check this place out - http://www.parklanevilla.com// Legacy Village has all the elements of urbanity within its built out structures. I don't think anyone here would have a problem with its general footprint being woven into the fabric of our urban core. But it is surrounded by a sea of parking lots and discourages pedestrians from walking there in every way possible. Then again, it is locat0ed securely in a suburban haven t0hat never had any hope or desire for large scale urban development. I don't have anything against it personally for that reason.

I don't propose we build a new building, but instead sink some money into rehabilitating old neighborhoods. Given the fact that those apartment buildings almost certainly have substantial market value, and the foreclosed homes do not, this potential project could be a wash or even a boon costwise. Pipe dream, though, at least until I can accumulate some capital and some clout. I was being facetious - see the Midtown thread.

I'm not sure I would want them to move the public housing. It might be put in a more unfavorable location, like say.......... EUCLID AVENUE.

It is so frustrating sometimes..... no, downright embarrassing..... that our great State is associated in DC circles with this numbskull - John Boehner Interview on Meet The Press (2)

I took MH's suggestion upthread and we ate at Etna last night. I'll second that recommendation. Gotta love a restaraunt where the Chef comes around (with his Italian accent, of course) to make sure everyone enjoyed his cooking.

Only chance? Doubt it. What if T.O. has an accident with a sharpie during pre-game rituals and can't play? What if the Ohio Adult Parole Authority throws some monkey wrench in the plans and the Bengals have to play iron-man football that day? What if Ocho Cinco scores on the first drive, leaps into the Dawg Pound and is never heard from again? Or maybe we sign Brian Russell again for that game and O.C. goes into the fetile position at the start of every play? There are lots of scenarios where I could see us winning that game.

Iowa is going to be a REAL tough game this year. They are tough every year, but this year's squad is led by good veterans (Stanzi, Clayborne) who have All-American potential.

All-weather tires (M+S) are perfectly fine because we have these things called salt trucks and snow plows up here ;). Driving in bad weather here is not nearly as treacherous as it is down south. However, I would highly recommend either AWD or front wheel drive for your car. Rear wheel drive cars have a lot more problems in the snow, especially if they have high horsepower. Since you are not used to winters/snow, I would also recommend finding a place with covered parking. You don't want to find yourself in a rush to get to work with you car covered in snow/ice. As mentioned above, you should give Willoughby a look. It's downtown is becoming more and more popular and lively... even if it doesn't compare to Cleveland's downtown. It is MUCH closer to Mentor.

^Agreed. In fact, still today, I would say that is not 'prime real estate' due to the surroundings notwithstanding the public housing. Anything built there would essentially be constructed on a hill overlooking the industrial site between that land and Whiskey Island. It would be nice if the public housing weren't there due to the inevitable blight it causes to the neighborhoods to the south on the West Bank, but I am not sure how this land, even if cleared, would be all that appealing to a developer. Not saying there wouldn't be and hasn't been interest. Translation? Is there some sort of correlation between race and 'law abiding citizens' which is relevant to this discussion?

Good find on the video jsz65. I like how they put phase 1 of Uptown in there.

One of my best friends lived on Lucknow for 2 years recently, and then on E. 170th for a year after that. The neighborhood looks rougher than it is, but it is not a cupcake either. I'd try to be as far east as possible towards 185th, but you will find decent pockets here and there around 152nd and 156th, north of the highway. I'd judge the property by the street and how the neighbors care for there property as that really can vary from street to street down there. The less duplexes the better IMO.

^^Re North Collinwood, it would depend on how one defines 'North Collinwood.' If it means north of the highway, I would say there would be some properties in that range. If it means north of Lakeshore, then probably not.

You'd be better off looking around with the idea of spending $100,000+ There certainly are deals to be had though, so you should talk to someone in the business.

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Like the "AFC North.... err Trash Talking thread" where I posted the same clip last week. For the record though, Clevelanders did not take that Wyche rant nearly as personal as Cincinatti (judging by their cheers) thought we would. Essentially, their coach was telling them to sit down and act civilized.... two things that don't happen at Browns games.

IIRC, the westbound bridge will be built first. Then the existing bridge will be shut down and all traffic reverted to the new bridge so that they can construct the eastbound bridge in essentially the same spot the existing bridge is now. The westbound bridge will curve in a bit towards downtown from where the footprint is at the moment. Am I the only one who is somewhat intrigued by A and C? Sure, neither are iconic, but I see some possibilities there especially with lighting. The underbelly of A could be remarkable at night if we did the lighting right. Same goes for the Arches on C. Also, for the C design, it might be smart to stagger the other arch when the eastbound bridge is rebuilt, setting it off to the east or west from where the other arch is..... and, thus, adding to the visual impact it would have on our skyline.

Not for "all" practical purposes, but they are two distinct political operations same as Cuyahoga County and the State of Ohio are distinct.

I didn't say there was "no" corruption at City Hall. I just don't think the problem is systematic as it is in the County. Hopefully, with regards to the County, that is going to change with our new form of government.

Here's the issue I have with the corruption stigma for Cleveland. This is a "city" list, no? We can't deny that corruption at the county level is readily apparent and rampant. And that surely reflects negatively on the City because Cleveland is the County seat and Downtown is where you find county officials basing their operations. However, while there are no doubt elements and instances of corruption, probably mostly in political patronage in the appointment process at and associated with City Hall, I doubt it exceeds the norm for comparable Cities. I deal with the City enough to know that it can and will play political hardball and, for lack of a better term, 'toe the line' when it comes to decisions and daily operations. But 'corrupt' is not a term I would use to describe City Hall.

Well, I didn't want to start going down the rabbit's hole, but I get your point. By that 'urbanized' standard, I would take mostly rural Geauga County away from Greater Cleveland's numbers - and wind up with 1.96 million over approx. 1600 sq. miles

:wtf: I believe unusualfire is responding to my post (last one on the first page). I don't know what the point is though. I think the lower level of density is more because the metro area stretches so far into several rural counties. If you rule out Cincy metro's out of state population, its size is 5 counties (just like Greater Cleveland MSA) at a size of 2,218 sq. mi. (only slightly larger than Greater Cleveland), a population of nearly 1.7 mill and a density of 748/sq. mi. (which is much more comparable). It's the multiple smaller, scarcely populated counties in Kentucky and Indiana that drag down the population density to less than half of Greater Cleveland's.