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The law firms that are moving are doing so because they have outgrown their current space... so you can take your "no-growth" argument and shove it pal :behind:

For those wishing to provide a response but unfamiliar with his work location, Tungsten runs between Chardon Rd and E 222, north of Euclid and south of St. Clair. theAnalyst, the location of your job makes things tough. There is no commuter rail that goes out to your job. The bus routes are quite extensive in that area though. They come down Euclid and St. Clair with some regularity, from both directions. Not sure what your idea of "safe" is. There are some edgier, yet intriguing, neighborhoods you could consider not far from your job, such as the Waterloo Arts District and North Collinwood. There are also plenty of rental units around E 185th, E 200th and E 222nd, but, again, some would consider those neighborhoods a bit on the rough side (I say "some".... not me). If you want something less gritty but still be able to utilize public transportation with minimal transfers, try the cities of Wickliffe and Willoughby where you may be able to get a rental right on or within walking distance of Euclid Ave. However, I have no idea how long the walk would be from Euclid to your job, but it would have to be at least 5-10 mins. At least you come from Boston and can handle the weather. You could always live downtown, but as DocBroc mentions your commute would be longer... probably a 15-20 drive, but much more by bus. I recommend taking a look at University Circle as it would be half the distance from downtown, has rentals along the bus lines and is the City's cultural center. Little Italy, which is adjacent to University Circle is another option. When looking for rentals, do not even consider anything in the City of East Cleveland. That would be the ghetto my friend. Hope this is helpful. Welcome to Cleveland!

Correct on the 6th and St. Clair building McCleveland. That building, as envisioned, will be 125,000 sq ft. The 6th and Superior building (185,000 sq ft) also has a law firm lined up. As I posted earlier, financing is not an issue for these two buildings, only the other components of the project.... at least for the time being. My info is fresh as of today.

To put it in perspective, Shedd Aquarium in Chicago is 400,000+ sq ft. Shedd is world class though and contains a 170,000 sq. ft. oceanarium. The original building was 220,000 sq. ft. I love the idea of an aquarium in Cleveland, save for the fact that I would much rather see it in a location where the Lake could be incorporated and the scale could certainly be larger (though something the size of Shedd is most probably not realistic).

I have been told by a very trustworthy source that the two office buildings on the corners of St. Clair/W 6th and Superior/W 6th have anchor tenants lined up. Those components are very close to the green light and will be in the ballpark of a combined 300,000 sq ft. The residential, hotel and retail components are more long term goals. The developers are waiting on more concrete plans for the MM/CC to further evaluate the viability/scale of the hospitality offered, which in turn will aid in the evaluation of what retail might work. As far as retail goes, look for national brands (for dining, shopping and entertainment) because of creditworthiness concerns. More dining and entertainment than shopping though. The residential part of the project will have to wait for the lending institutions to ease up on that front.

Like me :) On Jeffrey's point, I went to undergrad out of state (and then worked out of state for a few years). However, I came back to Ohio and went to grad school. From my grad school, the majority of "top" students were signed up by the best local employers. There were a few that went back to their home state and there were a few that wanted to be in D.C. and that type of work, but I would say the great majority of students who were from Ohio, stayed in Ohio after graduation. I think this problem, if it can be accurately termed one, has more to do with young people with bachelors degrees trying to find a job. The way of the world is that anyone who can afford to go to college, most likely will go and recieve a bachelors. It has the effect of diminishing the prestige of a four year college education. I have several friends with just HS diploma's (or even GED's) making more $ than many 4 year college grads.

That's not really true. The ODRC and counties will stack them up if need be - turning single cells into doubles and doubles into triples. Violent offenders are never just let go because there just isn't the room. There are several reasons why an arrest may not lead to convictions. Unfortunately, many of the arrests of truly guilty suspects either thrown out or drastically pled down are due to illegal searches/arrests that led to the damning evidence or confession.... the whole fruit of the poisonous tree thing.

Where are they getting the money to get drunk all the time? Some need to realize that just because Daddy had enough money to send you to college and can support your unemployed arse after school, does not mean you are supposed to be handed a 6 figure job right out of college. Me... I worked as a gopher for a year after undergrad. There are plenty of those jobs for those who don't have their noses in the air.

No one will be able to give an sufficient answer without knowing whether any of those "arrests" led to any convictions.

And the negativity and pessimism I see in this thread do nothing to help. You can sit here and whine about it and take up the typical Ohioan woe is me position... or you can be part of the solution and not part of the "out-migration" or whatever you want to call it.

C-Dawg - some people look for the best possible job and let that dictate their where they live. Others choose where to live and then look for the best possible job. It is a choice you make.... unless of course you (like my sister) have niched yourself to the point where the job you are trained for is only offered, or is much more prevalent, in certain locales. Bottom line, if you really do WANT to stay, you can/will find a way to make it work. You might have to pass on a more lucrative offer, but always remember that happiness and monetary compensation are not synonymous.

C-Dawg, things were not much better in the 80s for Ohio... not much better at all. I realize this was probably before you were born, but Cleveland and Cincy were well on the decline and C-Bus was an afterthought. Your story might not be "unique", but it is not the norm either. A lot of us have friends who never went to college (most of mine did not). Most of my HS buddies are still in NE Ohio... even the few that did go to college. In fact, out of the 11 of us who were as close as brothers from the time we were riding BMX's, 8 are still here in the Cleveland area, and one is in Youngstown. And everyone of them is employed, with professions ranging from restaraunt mgt to Lincoln Electric to Landscaping to Real Estate. As far as family goes, my mom and her husband are here. My sister recently moved back after several years in the upper midwest and brought her Wisconsin-bred husband with her. I moved back from NC and brought my NJ-bred wife with me. My brother never left. The only casualties are my dad, whose southern b!tch... I mean.... wife made him move to Charlotte, and my other sister who just graduated with a degree in film production from USC and pretty much has to be based in either LA or NYC due to her career of choice. I realize that I am lucky in this respect... just trying to point out that all hope is not lost. Far from it.

And for the record, I was raised in Ohio, went away for college and came back for "life".... after I insisted I never would. What can I say.... home is home.

One thing that has to be considered in any such survey is the sheer amount of higher education institutions in the state of Ohio. I believe Ohio has 1/4 the population of California, but half as many colleges/universities. It has three schools (OSU, UC and KSU) that are as big or bigger than many other state's largest institutions. I think I heard somewhere we have around 400,000 students enrolled right now.

One thing I think is lost on most is that Cleveland is not a "small" NBA market. It is not NY or LA, but it is not Sacramento, Oklahoma City, Memphis or Portland either. Think about it - the Cavs are the only NBA team in the seventh most populous state in the nation. Now, that does not mean that every Ohio resident is a Cavs fan, but it does mean that the Cavs do not have to compete with a Cincy team for C-Bus and other Ohio basketball fans. Further, there are no NBA teams in Pittsburgh or Buffalo - leaving the Youngstown, W VA and Erie PA markets up for grabs. I went to several Cavs games this year and ran into several people not from the Greater Cleveland area. Question: Where do Cincinnatians place their loyalties among NBA teams? Pacers? I ask because I have crossed paths with several Cavs fans from Columbus, Pittsburgh, Erie, Charleston, etc.... but never one from Cincy (save for Cle transplants).

The law applies to all employees. If the managers are "employees" and not elected officials, then the City can no longer require residency and cannot take any adverse employment action against the employees who choose to live outside of the City's borders. The state law does have an exception built into it for "emergency responders" (police, fire, EMT and, arguably, dispatch) which allows the cities to pass either a resolution, ordinance or initiative petition that would require those employees to live within the County or an adjacent County. However, the exception is not worded all that well and some cities may claim that it is vague enough to allow them to require residency within the County. Round 2 of litigation might be forthcoming on that issue.

Awww..... they're so cute together. CLEAN ME!!!!!

^ Employees only. Elected officials have to be residents.

Missing "the beat" KJP? :-) The court docket has the same address on Cedar Rd. for the LLC Looks like the attorney, Marc Doumbas (no joke) has requested permission of the court to withdraw his representation. Maybe he is starting to ask some of the same questions you are. I wouldn't blame McMonagle just yet. After the one in July, that will be three hearings in three months. Good luck in your hunt. If all else fails, you could always give GG Checks a call and ask politely - 888-443-6767 http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:wHRmUgOd19gJ:www.abilityone.gov/distributors/distrib_current.html+GG+Checks+%26+Payroll+Service&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Easy there tiger. The thread started in 2005. At that time, the answer, in a nut shell was YES, the cities absolutely could require workers to live within their borders. Although many workers tried, no court (whether state or federal) ever accepted the argument that some constitutional right was violated. The US Supreme Court heard a case brought by Philadelphia employees and found no violation of the US Constitution. The Ohio Supreme Court heard a case brought by Cincinnati employees and found no violation of the Ohio Constitution. Cleveland employees just a few years back challenged Cleveland's requirement under an equal protection argument in federal court due to the fact that the City granted exemptions to certain types of employees (teachers and high ranking officials like the Safety Director) but not to others (firefighters and police officers). The US District Court dismissed the complaint and the 6th Circuit court of appeals affirmed that decision. Now, however, the answer is no. Why? - because the state tells them (the cities) they can't. And, under the Ohio Constitution, can the state validly do so? - Yes.

I assume they build the hotels like that so both sides of the building have views of the lake. For instance, take a look at how the windows on the HoJo were angled so that each room looked right out on the lake.

I wonder what "uses" that condo was put to?

I believe (gathered solely from reading this thread, so correct me if wrong) the next steps are: 1) Secure a site for the medical mart. MMPI (I think) would prefer that it go on the site of three privately held properies on the northeast corner of St. Clair and Ontario. If those owners get greedy and hold out for too much money, the County will have to abandon its offices and that building would be demoed to make way for a new MM on the southeast corner of Ontario and Lakeside. 2) Start work on Public Hall so that showrooms and exhibit space can be set up there, ensuring that we are the first MM to hit the market. 3) Sign up tenants for permanent showroom space in the MM. 4) Start construction / complete renovation of the main exhibit hall under Malls B and C. All of these steps are about ready to get going as none of them really depend on another happening first.

I disagree. Toledo has a strong connection with Detroit, as does Youngstown with Pittsburgh... mostly related to sports though.

Good to hear about the lighting, as well as the outdoor patio and bar (but where exactly will it be?)