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This development has a great location and great concept.... but WTF is up with the metal front stoops. Don't like them at all. Stone or brick would have been MUCH better IMHO. Maybe just a little too contemporary for my personal taste

I walked by it the Caddy the other day. It is not nearly as large or gaudy as I thought it would be. Sure, I would prefer that it not be right in the heart of public square, but it could have been a hell of a lot worse.

All this hoopla caused by this article is really pointless. The City did file its argument with the Supreme Court. Why they were even planning on filing the same brief twice in two cases that involve identical issues is beyond me. In reality, the duplicative filing probably would have just pissed off the justices.

You are completely ignoring the flip side of the argument... that being that the City will have a MUCH better talent base/pool from which to chose its officers/employees, that the residency law actually makes many City employees despise the City, that the City invests thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of taxpayer dollars into "residency investigations" and civil service proceedings which they routinely lose when the termination is appealed to the court system and more legal fees are incurred. I could go on, but to infer that the City will fall into shambles if the residency law is lifted is simply not accurate. There are plenty of cities in this state that don't have residency laws and are still alive and well. Moreover, you are also speculating as to the effect of the law. You simply assume that all City employees will move outside the City if the Supreme Court comes down against the cities. There is no way to prove that there will be any mass exodus of biblical proportions. Fact is that many, if not most, City employees who don't want to live in the City and/or raise their family there moved out long ago. What they want is piece of mind that the city's investigators will not continue to peek in their windows, film their residences and follow their children to school. Now, I am not saying that you are wrong. You just can't totally dismiss the other side of the argument. The effect of the state ban is still up in the air. Lastly, where did you get the idea that the Ohio Constitution "supports" residency laws. It is true that residency laws are not UNconstitutional but that is saying something altogether different. You forgot to mention that the Constitution does say that the General Assembly can pass laws that, in its judgment and disceretion, are for the health, safety and general welfare of all employeees in the state. That includes municipal employees as well and that is what happened here. Further, the Constitution further states that no other provision of the constitution (which includes the home rule amendment) may be used to limit this power. I hope most workers do not move, but I would like them to have that choice.

Specifically no, but those crop patterns are in abundance in western Kansas, the Oklahoma Panhandle and southeastern Colorado. Hit Google Maps for Copeland, Kansas - you'll think part of the Earth turned into a Vasarely painting. Great shots, esp the close up of the skyline. I always hope for that approach on landing as well. Those circular crop fields confused me too. So I spent my past 5 minutes discovering that the design actually makes a lot of sense..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_pivot_irrigation

I like the finished product rendering, so don't get me wrong, but right now I am not diggin' this building. I understand the rationale behind the delay to build the other two phases of this building, but must ask - are the other two phases just a "when" question or is "if" in the equation at all? Also, will Zaremba build the other two parts in separate phases or at the same time? Or am I just asking questions that don't have an answer yet? Thanks.

Great argument for regionalism can be made of this.

If you remember the abolishionist were the conservative religous folk from the north. However when you want to change society and the status quoa you're always going to have a fight. But isnt a slow gradual change better then a radical over night change? Abolitionists were not conservative. Just because they were not members of the democratic party, does not mean they were conservative. The make-up of the parties was much different back then. Simply because abolitionists were religious does not mean they were not liberal. Abolishing slavery was a very liberal thought because it changed the status quo for the sake of individual rights and to the detriment of economic strength and stability.... Now which party do you think would be advocating such a ridiculous notion these days. ;) As far as the slow vs. radical changes - I would have to take that on a case by case basis. Some changes should have been made yesterday IMHO regardless of how radical they are (Gay Rights for one). You don't deny constitutional rights, or delay their implementation, simply because it might shock the conscience of conservatives (those wanting to maintain the status quo) who oppose it. Other changes may not be as exigent and would be better implemented over time.

The whole employment law field is growing. Baker Hostetler and Calfee Halter are the big ones around here. Some national firms such as Littler Mendleson and Ogletree something are trying to invade the market by incorporating mid-sized local firms - I believe Littler absorbed what used to be Duvin Cahn. That has caused Baker and Calfee to be more aggressive in trying to expand and attract top Ivy league talent. I was recently in Calfee's office in the Key/McDonald building. They have a beautiful, Class-A (IMO) space but it was rather disjointed. Earlier poster was correct, they occupy at least two floors but I am not sure their occupancy spans the entire building. Based upon what I heard about Baker's and SSD's wants and desires, firms of that size are usually looking for 200,000 sq. ft +. The Jacobs property is ideal for law firms that have a litigation department such as Calfee. It is placed perfectly in the middle of the Federal and State Courthouses. Hop, Skip and Jump from both. It would also be near the ugly black building (state building?) where the workers' comp hearings are held. Plus, it is right next door to 55 and 75 Public Square, both of which house an inordinate amount of small and mid-size firms. One thing you can count on is that Baker AND Calfee will not both be going in any building Jacobs' plans to build. It will be one or the other or neither. They would never be able to decide who gets to be on top. :wink:

Some claim that Winston Churchill once said something like - if you are not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, but if you are not a conservative at 40 you have no head. (NOTE: I have heard several variations of this quote). Given my age (30), my heart makes me a liberal I guess. A lot of it has to do with how I was raised, where I was raised and the idealogies that are embedded in me. I come down on the left on most every issue. Abortion and 2nd Amend are two key issues that I struggle with and do not agree with the extremes on either side - I probably would be more in favor of an acceptable middle ground on both. As long as the conservative base of this country is strung along like a puppet by the evangelicals and right wing radicals, I suppose I will have no "head". To be clear, I am grateful for fiscal conservatives who leave religion and bigotry our of the political equation. IMHO, that group is vital to a proper balance and is not nearly large enough. The Bill O'Reilly's, Pat Buchanon's, Karl Rove's, Ted Haggard's, George W's, Dick Cheaney's, Ann Coulter's, Michelle Malkin's, Rush Limbaugh's, Ken Blackwell's etc, etc, etc, etc of the world help solidify my liberal base. Majoring in history in undergrad also helped. History looks favorably upon liberals (NOTE: not always the democratic party) - see Revolutionary War, Abolitionists, Women's suffrage, Civil Rights. Coming soon (fingers crossed) to a history class near you - gay rights. Most of our great leaders are remembered for standing up to the establishment and changing the way things are done because it is not the way things "should" be done (credit: Michelle Obama) - Founding Fathers, Lincoln, JFK, MLK Jr. - and that is being a liberal IMO.

I agree.... except I think WHICHEVER candidate wins Ohio will win the White House. If Obama wins Ohio, it is probably locked up in his favor. If McCain wins, Obama would have to pull off a miracle like turning N. Carolina blue.

tulip trees Well I guess that solves our little mystery several pages back.

You can't ask for a vote without providing all the options. I personally think (with the highest hopes) that he wins all three.

Have you ever been to Shedd Aquarium in Chicago? I haven't, but I hear it's amazing. :) And it's a huge tourist draw. Just went a couple months ago. It was amazing but a bit outside downtown Chicago. Aquariums are the type of attractions that will not neccessarily draw people to the City like the RRHOF does but will keep them entertained while there in town. The way I see it, they are a day filler.... sort of like a science center. If we do build an aquarium, I doubt it will be on the scale of Shedd..... even the website seems to suggest a moderate sized aquarium.

The website looks great! Props to whomever is trying to keep this idea alive. It really would be a great addition to the North Coast Harbor area. Visitors could walk between the RRHOF, GLSC and the Aquarium.

No apology necessary big guy. The quote from the article would probably only be funny to those who regularly deal with the Cleveland Law Dept.

The lake has got to be incorporated into any aquarium project in Cleveland. My vote would be for the land the Naval center now occupies. Kudos for creativity, but I would be opposed to the idea.

He said by including the City of Cleveland in their lawsuit, the family would be taking on the legal resources of the city of Cleveland as well as his firm. :-D I almost fell out of my chair.

Good point :wink:

I have not heard the rumor. Last I understood was the the project was downsized to an initial phase of residential and retail without a major office player. That being said, Baker Hostetler and Squires Sanders are still 'in play' I guess. I suppose the block on the northwest corner of St Clair and W. 3rd would be a good place for the County because it would stay close to the Courthouses and City Hall. However, I doubt the County is actually going to move anytime within the first phase of this project. Then there is Eaton who apparently has not "committed" to the FEB. But Eaton's vision and Stark's vision for developing a neighborhood drastically vary so there is close to 0% chance of that happening IMHO.

Do we even know where the hotel will go or whether a convention sized hotel will even be built? Isn't that important to know before we start labeling this project as a street killer (outside of consequences any given CC may have on street life)? If the conventioners are going to be regularly traveling between the CC and Indigo, One, Marriot, Holiday Inn, Hilton, etc, I would think that would benefit street life plenty. Now, if they build some monstrosity (sp?) as part of some mega complex with the CC and TC (as we saw in the previous rendering), I can see people's point.... but I would STILL think this is a good thing.

Somebody can't go one thread without taking a cheap shot at Cleveland. :roll: Great pics Ink.

http://cleveland.craigslist.org/off/754698876.html Probably old blueprints of work that was already done.

Folley Beach is nice. Good spots for lunch.... IIRC, there is a really good topas bar there and some good spots for seafood. To be clear, I have not been there in years.

More likely that they have already removed life support but she has not passed yet.