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They are going to use synthetic material to repair the damage, no? Isn't the same tactic being used on the Terminal Tower? Has to be cost-prohibitive to do otherwise I would think.

I am familiar with the neighborhood as plenty of my friends have lived there and one of my best friends right now lives off of E 152 just north of the highway. I have also spent significant time between E 185 and E 200. It is a better area than most people think, but not "great" by any stretch. OC and Tremont are probably better investments since N Collinwood is not going to rebound anytime soon IMHO.... which is too bad considering it is the ONLY part of the east side of Cleveland proper that has any beach access near heavy residential. Here are some warnings: 1. The E 152 area is rough. You can expect some gunshots every now and again. Last year, a kid was found dead in the bushes just around the corner from my buddy's house and had been laying there for a day or so. My biggest beef with that area is just too many pit bulls.... it seems like every other house has one. It is such a shame that people buy those dogs as a fashion statement and have no idea how to properly train them. 2. E 185 and E 200 are both definitely walkable. Lots of little shops, restaraunts, bars, etc. Very blue collar (which I consider to be a good thing). However, you better be ready for the bikers to come ripping up and down the street at 2 am (and later) with their choppers. You will probably get the best bang for the buck ($/sq ft) in North Collinwood but OC and Treemont are better options IMHO. Out of those two, I would vote for Treemont. You could potentially lose your a*& by buying a house in NC no matter how much of a deal you get. Right now, it is impossible to tell where that neighborhood is headed. I still think it is solid, but I have heard some horror stories from Fire Fighters who have moved out of that area which I will not repeat here but if want full disclosure you can PM me. Have you checked out the UC area yet? If you are looking to make a good investment, I would go that route. I just have this feeling that housing prices around there are going to boom (at least x2) in 5-10 years.

I always understood that the project would be built all at once sans two possible buildings on the riverfront that might be added in the future. The latest numbers were in excess of $500 million. The 170-230 figures seem to line up with ORIGNINAL projections when the concept was first announced. With rising construction costs and the high-end character of the project, I would not be suprised if the final numbers were more in the $700 million range.

IMHO, Stark is taking the right strategy by not overbuilding to start things off. It appears the Frankfurt buidlings will be under 10 stories with heavy street life. If/when the market recovers, there are still plenty of surface lots to cover. I think any height added to the skyline should be b/t PS and E. 9 anyways (e.g. 515 Euclid). The design looks like it will mesh perfectly with the spirit of the WHD. I like that. From the original renderings I thought this project might choke out the asthetic beauty of the neighborhood (however, that was a sacrafice I was happy to make to give the green light to a billoin dollar plus project). These renderings seem much more in line with the overall look.

Maples indeed. Interesting choice. I thought CCF would have went with something more ornamental like Pears or Cherry trees. I like the choice of adding something that will have some height but not monstrous. I think these trees grow to about 50-70 feet. Elms would have been my first choice, but Maples do just fine. It will make the entrance look great in the fall. Off-topic, but on the same note, does anyone know what kind of trees are being planted in the downtown forrest going right behind the Federal Building along Lakeside Ave?

Gorgeous intricacy to the original facade. Am I correct in assuming that the other half of that ugly cover is going to come down.

The view of the lake will not be completely blocked off. The west and north sides of the buidling will have a direct line of sight to the mouth of the Cuyahoga, and any point of the shoreline west of there, with nothing of significance blocking the view. Plus, as discussed upthread, the high priced offices (presumably on the top floors) will probably be higher than the roof of 55 PS due to taller ceilings on each floor leading up.

Given the size of the firm, I would not be at all surprised if Baker Hostetler requires 200,000 sq+

The virtual tour is very encouraging in terms of the quality of the improvements.

To my understanding, nothing is official with Eaton but you can see the rendering of its proposed "campus" there on the website.

You have bad luck.... or you were screwin' around and it bit you in the arse. The ECP should definitely be emphasized to draw in those young physicians and other people who want to live downtown but their jobs are in UC.

Is there another entrance to the May Co. Builing garage?

The Oakridge neighborhood (b/t Yellowstone and Cle Hts Blvd) is wonderfull.... but just a few short blocks. Not indicative at all of the neighborhood as a whole. You might be suprised by how many people have lived there their entire life and don't even know about it. Most of the mom and pop shops were along Noble from Mayfield to Euclid... such as Deli's right across from the Noble library. It was a grocery store with a butcher's shop that was probably half the size of a modern CVS and we shopped there religiously. I used to ride my bike to Ruckisan's (might be way off on spelling) at the corner of Roanoke for baseball cards, candy and they even had a counter area where you could sit and have a milkshake. At those places, first names were common practice. I would not even begin to list all the mom and pop shops that have left that area of Mayfield Road. But most of all, I miss Gerome's restaraunt which was right next door to Cleveland Sporting Goods (another one depending on how you define "mom and pop shops"). A couple are still around such as Dunn's (now affiliated with ACE though) and that upholstery place on Noble the name of which I cannot think of at this time.

Are you on smack!? Judging from history, the only way I could see that happening is maybe if there was racially charged riots nearby or something. Looking at the demographics online I'd hardly call it "working class". I hate that term by the way; granted the more money you make, the less you work but they still work. Cleveland Hts. and Shaker Hts. have lots of working class neighborhoods, however, on the surface they appear upper middle class. I'd say that upper class neighborhoods, are a small part of CH & SH, with a sizeable proportion of upper middle class and middle class neighborhoods. The incident with the lawyer who was beaten is a prime example why white flight will not happen in shaker hts or cleveland hts. the neighborhoods are strong and people value their neighbors. Cleveland Heights and Shaker Heights both encompass broad ranges of the spectrum. The south side of CH and the north side of SH (which border eachother) are going nowhere. They are high class (for the most part) and always will be. The only hang up IMO is that most of the homes on the market right now in those areas do not have forced air (a must for me to buy). Beautiful homes nonetheless. The north side of CH (where I grew up) and the south side of Shaker are different stories. Both have gone down IMO and will continue to do so. Where I grew up near the intersection of Noble and Monticello was a GREAT family neighborhood in the 1980s. It just seems so much colder now. Neighbors are not outside in lawnchairs as they were back in the day. I can't remember the last time I saw a block party. Many of the mom and pop shops that defined that neighborhood have left. And the age of some of the houses are starting to get emphasized due to lack of care and maintenance. I am not saying that it is 3rd world or anything... it is still an acceptable place to raise a family... just not like it use to be. The southern parts of Shaker are surrounded by other cities/neighborhoods that have no relief in sight (Warrensville, Kinsman, Buckeye) and that inevitably spills over.

Am I the only one who thinks the landscaping is a little too much. I am all for some eye-pleasing greenery but the pictures make it seem like somebody with a green thumb went a just a bit too far. That being said, I am going to reserve judgment until I see it with my own eyes.

That whole block (Lakeside, Ontario, St. Clair and FPB) needs to go. I would prefer a convention sized hotel on the south side of the block. I am having trouble picturing it at Lakeside and Ontario with the old and new courthouses immediately right across each street. I have trouble picturing any new construction for the MedMart there too. Truthfully, it is a shame the building is so crappy because the County's current location is where it really should be. That is for another thread though.

Agreed, but all the early indications I have read have the garage fronting W. 3rd St.

The lot where it will be built is not big enough to allow the green space in front AND a garage in the rear.

I am thinking Hotel 71 in Chicago http://hotel1-px.trvlclick.com/

10. The Flats Not quite.... check out the Warehouse District on your next visit. :wink: great shots though.

http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/in/1/en/c/2/content/dec/teaser/in/1/en/lp/see.html Link. Click on each location for pictures. Seems, like is stated in the article, that there is no uniform design. I like Atlanta's.

KJP, not to cover the old stuff but for some of us newbies - what would downtown's population be if OC, Tremont, etc were included in the figures? To me, there is a difference between "Downtown" and "the CBD".... Downtown being much larger.

Don't forget about CollegeTown (on hold??) and future phases of Stonebridge. That will add another couple thousand if all goes forward. I am also sure that other developments in the immediate proximity of Euclid Ave. will be announced shortly after EC proves its value.

A question I asked upthread - Does anybody know why/if Scranton Peninsula is not an option? If all else fails, it is better than that Chester site. I also like it better than the W of CBS site. IIRC, the TC rendering that has been floating around for a awhile had a pedestrian bridge over to Scranton so the same concept could be used in reverse.

So I need someone to explain two things to me because I am just not getting it. 1. Directly behind Dollar on Prospect is a building which, if I understand the above post, is the rear of 668 :? I mean the 5 story building on Prospect with empty storefronts and directly across the street from Mo's Jewelers. 2. Where exactly will the cut through to Prospect be?