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Perhaps a bit of context or an explanation would help here. Flip through the images and you will see what uastudent12 is referencing... https://www.google.com/search?q=Gotham+promotion&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=7CneU6OEC8WMyASKuYLwDQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1607&bih=792&dpr=0.85#facrc=_&imgdii=Y7F8-P2RKNnLAM%3A%3B4HLqOumVFRL3zM%3BY7F8-P2RKNnLAM%3A&imgrc=Y7F8-P2RKNnLAM%253A%3BzWn4zRWArNmN_M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.theyoungfolks.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2014%252F05%252FGotham.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.theyoungfolks.com%252Ftelevision%252Ftv-news-foxs-gotham-releases-first-trailer%252F32277%3B620%3B320

Not sure. I'm talking about the one with Matthew Broderick's acting prowess showcasing a fake English (I think?) accent :-o, Rutger Hauer as the emotionally conflicted hero :laugh:, and Michelle Pfifer in her prime :clap: This one.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEh0kwDqZZ0

^You must not read the thread regularly. I will probably be more disappointed to see him go when the trade goes down (Aug. 23/24) than I will be for Wiggins. Extremely high ceiling. But, as we saw last year, a shockingly low floor. I don't think he will be a very good player in the league until he has some age which he can hopefully parlay into some confidence. He needs to play with he chest out and chin up, not chest in and chin down. Now we are just splitting hairs. OKC made an offer which was far below ($35 mill below, to be exact) his market value. He declined the offer. OKC was left with the choice of either trading him or losing him for nothing. The point was that Harden would still be in OKC if they ponied up the cash. Circling back to KLove, the Cavs have every intention of paying him his market value, so the comparisons to the Harden situation is pointless. I never said you did. Surf = surfohio. I was responding to him.

'Ladyhawke' is on TV right now. Nothing like poorly executed midieval battle scenes set to contemporary 1980's instrumental background music

I think you all are searching for an answer where there is none. An increase in renters or multi-family units can have a negative effect or a positive effect. The houses in my neighborhood turning to rentals would likely decrease the property values of owner-occupied homes. That might not be true for neighborhoods in which the rental market has a different pull

Surf - agreed, but what often gets lost in KLove's value as a scorer is that guy might be the best rebounder in the league and certainly most would say he is unquestionably the best passing big man in the game. He is one of the limited basketball 'savants' playing today.... LeBron being one of the others. His ability to pull down a defensive rebounder and then send an outlet pass down the floor is ridiculous.

Harden did not decide to split for Houston. OKC did not want 3 max players, so it traded him. Harden welcomed the opportunity to become a #1 option, but he would've stayed in OKC if they had ponied up the $$. I'm not refusing to acknowledge anything. Show me how we have the "FLEXIBILITY to go out and sign that missing piece in February". We are capped out. Regardless..... February? At the trade deadline? Which free agent is going to be out there for us to sign in the middle of the season? If you mean it gives us the flexibility to make a trade for a different player at the deadline should the Love deal fall apart, that is absolutely true. I never denied that. It won't be Love and I don't know of any equivalent superstar who is known to be available. But there will always be a market for young talent and they could get something of value in return if a shakeup is necessary. I won't be all that disappointed if they hold firm and don't make the deal. I would do it, but I don't feel nearly as strong as some of the Wiggins fans apparently do. I just see an opportunity to acquire one of the best 'established' players in the game who is only 25 yrs old. You might not agree with that assessment of his skill level, but most experts do. To get him, we have to give up a prospect, who might someday, but certainly not this year and probably not for several years, develop into one of the best players in the game. It's a roll of the dice, and I'm the first to admit that a championship in year 1 is not guaranteed. Miami's Big 3 didn't do it. But Boston's Big 3 did, so it's far from impossible. As far as KLove skipping town after one year, I see that possibility as about equal to Wiggins suffering some career devastating injury. I can't rule out the risk, but as I've said before it is something which I have to the think the Cavs will calculate heavily into any decision made http://www.nba.com/magic/cohen-8-ball-ranking-2013-14-best-power-forwards http://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/sports/nba/2013/10/23/15-best-power-forwards-in-the-nba-for-2013-14-season/3173595/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/13/nba-power-forwards-2014_n_4780985.html ESPN - Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Power Forwards RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA 1 Kevin Love, MIN 77 36.3 .591 15.2 8.7 27.7 8.5 29.5 18.7 26.97 645.8 21.5 2 Anthony Davis, NO 67 35.2 .582 7.4 7.7 23.2 10.0 23.3 16.6 26.54 529.3 17.6 3 Blake Griffin, LAC 80 35.8 .583 14.1 10.2 27.1 7.7 21.2 14.7 23.98 533.3 17.8 4 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL 80 32.9 .603 12.2 6.6 24.9 1.8 20.0 10.9 23.68 477.7 15.9 5 Brandan Wright, DAL 58 18.6 .695 7.0 7.9 15.8 11.0 15.1 13.1 23.60 194.5 6.5 6 LaMarcus Aldridge, POR 69 36.2 .507 9.5 6.5 27.9 7.2 25.6 16.5 21.84 385.7 12.9 7 Tim Duncan, SA 74 29.2 .535 15.4 11.2 23.5 8.6 28.3 18.8 21.40 318.8 10.6 8 Kenneth Faried, DEN 80 27.2 .573 8.1 11.4 19.7 11.8 22.2 16.9 19.90 273.1 9.1 9 Paul Millsap, ATL 74 33.5 .545 14.2 11.3 23.7 7.2 21.9 14.6 19.83 308.4 10.3 10 Serge Ibaka, OKC 81 32.9 .576 6.7 9.7 18.0 10.0 19.6 15.0 19.66 324.8 10.8

Buffalo needs to look at what Sacramento did to keep the Kings against all odds. Our situation with the Browns back in the 1990s should help. The NFL learned some lessons, I would think.

I realize many fans are very attached to Wiggins. It's a Cleveland thing, in a way. We love 'potential' and draft picks. But nothing I said was ridiculous. I never denied Wiggins' potential and he did show well at times on that end during summer league. He can impact a game without scoring. But he is also very raw, especially on offense, but also on defense. Re-read my response again. I posted analysis refuting the common fan's belief about KLove's defense being "very weak". It's not stellar. No arguing that. But it is not "very weak" just because you say it's so. Again, re-read (and try to fully comprehend) my post and then refer to this..... ac·co·lade - an award or privilege granted as a special honor or as an acknowledgment of merit. DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR Joel Embiid, Kansas, C, 7-0, 250, Fr., Yaounde, Cameroon/The Rock School [Fla.] Big 12 All-Defensive Team Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s) Isaiah Austin, Baylor C 7-1 225 So. Arlington, Texas/Grace Preparatory Academy Joel Embiid, Kansas** C 7-0 250 Fr. Yaounde, Cameroon/The Rock School [Fla.] Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State** G 6-4 220 So. Flower Mound, Texas/Marcus Demarcus Holland, Texas G 6-2 185 So. Garland, Texas/Naaman Forest Cameron Ridley, Texas C 6-9 285 So. Richmond, Texas/Bush Juwan Staten, West Virginia G 6-1 190 Jr. Dayton, Ohio/Oak Hill Academy/Dayton

That Paul George injury last night in the Team USA intrasquad scrimmage was beyond horrific (worse than Theisman, it seemed). What a tragedy for a rising superstar who was out there representing his country and putting on a showcase for the fans in advance of the FIBA World Cup. I highly recommend avoiding the footage. I was watching the game live while getting in a workout and I couldn't finish my sets after seeing the replay. The game was called immediately as the other players were all noticeably shaken up. The reaction from the bench tells the story..... MarkJonesESPN ✔ @MarkJonesESPN All you need to know about the seriousness of Paul George's injury is that I'm looking at Kyrie Irving sobbing,crying in his Dads arms. 11:18 PM - 1 Aug 2014

It's an issue particularly relevant to the Browns. There are countless discussions we have here which could be discussed in the NFL thread. For instance, suppose a Browns game comes down to the rules relative to an instant replay review. We wouldn't go to the NFL thread to discuss.

^So are you saying that second hand smoke is never detectable through urine?

^I know the current time-keeper

Why would we need to trade for a SS? I thought the entire idea of trading away Astrubal was to clear the path for Lindor...

I'm probably higher on Waiters than most (and certainly not as high on Wiggins as most are), but I think Dion is already a really good player. So does Team USA, which picked him to be on its "Select" roster this summer. He proved a lot to me last season when Kyrie went down and he took the reigns. His numbers, as the #1 option, were actually better than Kyrie's iirc, averaging somewhere around 22ppg, and we went on a 5-6 game winning streak. For sure, he needs to be smarter with his shot selection and better at finishing around the rim, but he has a good shot (imagine how many open looks he will get with our new Big 3 playing around him), he has good-to-great handles, one of the most explosive first steps in the league (no one can stay in front of him), gives good effort on D (technique needs some work and his size imposes some limitations), and is a 'bulldog' type competitor. He can initiate the offense and break down defenses while Kyrie and/or LBJ rest, or with them on the floor if the matchups favor letting him do so. He brings a certain toughness to this team which Wiggins can not provide, and probably never will. He doesn't back down from anybody and plays with a chip on his shoulder. He's certainly not one of those "give me 12 of him" type players, but I think the Cavs desperately need at least one player like him, especially if none of your Big 3 are particularly known for being tough guys. We don't have a Ben Wallace on this team anymore. We are going to need a "never back down" guy or teams will try to bully us.

The original Dawg Pound were the outfield bleachers of Municipal Stadium. Due to the issues with making a football field fit in Municipal Stadium, the bleachers were very close to the field..... at least much closer than the other end zone....

The 'stiffs' we are talking about are the three no-names we got from Utah, not any of wiggins, waiters, Thompson, or Bennett. Love is not great defensively, but he is not as bad as people make it seem. There has been some analytical studies done recently which refute the general perception. http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2014/7/24/5931549/kevin-love-trade-rumors-golden-state-warriors-klay-thompson To be clear, Wiggins comes in with high defensive potential..... Not at a high defensive level. He has proven nothing and his one year in college did not come with any defensive accolades you would expect from a player who is 'NBA ready' on the defensive end. The potential is undeniable. But it is also undeniable that Isaiah Canaan lit him up for 28pts, including a drive to the well to seal the deal, in the Cavs' final summer league game. Yep, Isaiah Canaan. Who? (I was asking myself that too). The way I'm looking at Wiggins is 'house money'. He was a bonus and is not likely to be in the regular rotation this season anyway. For that reason, you can't really do any comparison of what KLove (who will play regular minutes from the start) will give us if we trade for him vs. what Wiggins (who will not start over LBJ at the 3 and is in no way ready for the 2) will give us if he stays.

^And we won't want to include Haywood, considering his trade value next summer due to his $10.5mill NON-guaranteed salary for the following year which we could use to pull off another blockbuster next summer if we wanted..... OR we could simply waive him and get some cap relief (which is what any team that trades for him will do).

^But if Wiggins is off the table, you understand that Waiters (in all likelihood) has to be included? When you take Wiggins off the table, you also take his $5.5 mill in salary off the table.

Nobody is talking about turning Jabari into a 2-guard. He is a 3 who can play some 4. Wiggins is a 3, who might someday be able to play at the 2. But I would still take Parker's handles right now over Wiggins' any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. The only game I watched of the Bucks was the one against the Cavs, so I don't know the source of Parker's turnovers. It could've been errant passes to players out of position. It could've been him losing control of the ball when trying to break down a defense. With Wiggins, is was mostly all the latter. He still dribbles up to his nipples and seems to have to look down at the ball anytime he attempts a cross-over, still losing control of the ball some of the times. Like I said before the draft, I really can't remember a wing player selected #1 overall who was so raw with actual basketball skills. His athletic ability is unbelievable. So is Gerald Green's.

^Every Executive/Coach I've seen polled on the issue has reached the same conclusion. Even Coach K (who normally would not opine on such an issue) says you do it without thinking twice. ^^I am not sure what the exact number is, but there is some wiggle room. But, regardless, 80% of KLove's $15.7mill salary is still $12.5mill..... so Wiggins plus the scrubs won't work

^That's a big role of the dice. Based on my own pre-draft evaluation of Wiggins' game and potential, it's not one I would take. You know what you are getting in Love and if Wiggins even comes close to matching Love's production, you'd be lucky IMO. Remember too, Love is only 25 years old. He still has a ton of good basketball left in him. Kyrie is only 22. Dion is only 22. I did become more intrigued by Wiggins with the thought of pairing him with Lebron. But that was more long-term thinking. Wiggins is not ready to play the 2. His handles in summer league were awful...... like, Alonzo Gee awful. He was not terribly productive - 15 pts and 40% shooting against D-League level talent. His defense was OK, but I don't see the elite defender yet. Potential is there, but don't forget that he did not make any of his conference's all-defensive teams. The most he might do for you in the next year or two is a win a dunk contest. Lebron is in his prime and we need to maximize that window.

We still have to match what is coming back to us with what we are sending out. However, there can be an imbalance in what Minny sends out (i.e. Barea and Martin) to a team under the cap (such as Philly). So, the trade could potentially look something like this..... To Cleveland from Minny - KLove ($15mill) From Cleveland to Minny - Wiggins ($5.5mill), Bennett ($5.8mill), the three nonguaranteed contracts received from Utah ($3.5mill), and a future first rounder Then we could get Philly involved by tossing them either Waiters or another future first rounder (more likely the latter) to incentivize them to take back one or both of Minny's bad contracts. Philly would not have to send out any contracts, but I believe they'd have to give up something to be involved, probably a future 2nd rounder, just to comply with the rules.

^It is going to be hard enough making the salaries match with just Love involved. Remember, unlike past years, we don't have any trade exceptions to use and we are not under the cap. We have to send out close to $15mill on the books next year in order to absorb Love's contract. Martin and/or Barea are likely headed to a third team able to absorb their contracts if they are involved. Philly still has a way's to go in achieving minimum roster salary rules, so the rumblings of their involvement as a third team are expected. ^^Wiggins plus the stiffs plus two picks won't get it done even if Minny would accept that. We still have to match salaries. Wiggins plus the stiffs only adds up to $8-9mill. Throw in Bennett and his close to $6mill contract, and we would be within the rules of the CBA. ESPN.com has a "trade machine" you can use to see whether a deal will work. I'll go on the record now saying I want Love and am willing to give up any TWO of Wiggins, Bennett, TT, and Waiters to get him, plus a future pick or two. I would hope it wouldn't be Bennett and TT or Wiggins and Waiters, especially not the latter because it would leave us terribly thin at the 2 guard. If a third player from that group is involved, we better be getting back (in addition to Love) someone like Dieng or Brewer or one of Philly's young bigs.

The Waiters rumors are more internet banter.... Not any credible sources. It originates from the thought of in involving Philly as a third team.