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Very bad precedent to set. Cannot make every bar/restaurant have dedicated parking, reality does not work like that. It's not like all restaurants in CBD or in other NBDs all have specific spaces...if people want to go to a specific place they will figure it out. And this being mainly a bar many people will be taking rideshare or walking from other places nearby. I agree that its not a great policy but the city has already been doing this for the new and renovated office projects like Streitman, 15th and Vine, and Empower's new building.

One of my fav's in Mt. Auburn!!

After reading the article and looking at the map. It's stunningly similar.

Two of the three proposals are at Mehring and Elm (The PromoWest and CSO ones) however of the three the CSO proposal is the smallest. I think the CSO venue is well designed (however I have concerns seeing how they ruined MPMF) and the partnership could work out some way to modify the proposal to include outdoor. People have to remember the primary desire for a concert venue is to help support activity at the Banks during the winter months when there is nothing else going on down there and retail really struggles. Having outdoor is nice, but its a value add, not the main point.

A Red Bike race up W. Clifton could be the new Straight Street Climb!

It's going to be a hot mess!

Don't forget the Parlour Creamy Whip in Pendleton! My wife and I go to Buzzed Bull about once a week. We never get the buzzed ice cream and get custom orders. As regular ice cream its great, as alcoholic ice cream, I've never really liked it. Graeters always looks like its doing well in warm weather and Dojo has the Findlay Market crowd which sustains it.

I think they just mean residential units. No way there are 1500 condos.

About 41.6 acres of that circle is OTR. That is 34.16% of the neighborhood within 1/4 a mile of the center of the stadium. I am using the center line of Central Parkway as the neighborhood boundary. If you use Jake/HamCo Auditor interpretation (Providence St) the acreage goes up to 55.17 and the percentage goes to just under 46%. Conversely one could argue that not much of OTR is within a 1/4 mile range of the stadium. OTR is 319 acres. Using the first measurement, only 13% of the neighborhood is within the FC Stadium 1/4 mile perimeter.

Here's a quick measurement.

The demo permit, along with two permits for foundation and tower work have been approved by the City. My best guess is Donato's will be out in a few months and the building will be down by the end of summer.

There are no protections on that stretch of Liberty in the West End. I saw they had taken the top floor and roof off last fall so it was only a matter of time till they took the rest. It's a shame.

Here's a good article about the demolition and repurposing of skyscrapers. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20535821 Interesting quote here: "They need to be designed to be never taken down, such that their life cycle is as close to forever as you can get," he says. "No-one's talking about when the pyramids are going to come down."

No its not. Both sides of High Street (and the residential neighborhoods behind High) are governed by very strong historic districts. The Victorian Village Commission on the west side of High and the Italian Village Commission on the east side of High. Every surface lot and non-contributing building in the Short North is danger of going away - but not the contributing prewar buildings. And we've see this, as major projects like the Pizzuti Hotel and Office project - built on two surface parking lots - and the White Castle and UDF projects - built on former suburban-style fast-food/convenience sites. Now at some point all of these surface parking and non-contributing sites will get built on. But we're not nearly at that point yet. In the meantime, we've seen "Short North style" developments move north the Short North's 5th Avenue boundary and fill in the previous gap between the Short North and Ohio State. And if those additional High Street sites get built out, there's always 4th Street in Italian Village, as well as the entire Downtown that would welcome additional "Short North style" developments. What does "non-contributing building" mean? Buildings that don't contribute to the architectural integrity or quality of a particular historic district. Contributing would be the 1890-1920 and prewar multi-story building that Jake cited. Non-contributing would be the post-WWII or suburban style buildings like the White Caste, UDF and the KFC turned CheckSmart building that was cited. Here's more about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contributing_property Sounds highly subjective. It's just a matter of liking it or not. Let's just be honest about all of this. No, not really. It's about whether a building in a historic district is actually historic. A White Castle or a Taco Bell in a historic district is "non-contributing" and can be demolished and replaced by a new building. An actual historic building is "contributing" and can not. I'm not convinced. Buildings of different ages have always occupied most american cities. It's just a rationale for the development game. Contributing Building: The National Park Service, which administers the National Register of Historic Places, defines a contributing resource as ‚a building, site, structure, or object adding to the historic significance of a property.‛ Chapter 3116.017 of the Columbus City Code provides the following definition that a contributing property ‚at least forty (40) years of age or contributes to the architectural character or historical and architectural significance of a group or district. A noncontributing property is less than forty (40) years of age or does not make such a contribution.” Page 3.2 https://www.columbus.gov/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=80919 If you remain unconvinced, please take your complaint to the National Park Service.

Covington is ruined forever!!!

But, but, the gas tax!!! LOL

Yes. There is apparently a model of the new tower in the current WS HQ. It would be on the site of the current HQ with the old HQ being preserved but the other two buildings being demolished.

I think it's pretty clear at this point that the league is using Cincinnati's bid as leverage against current and future expansions. If Cincinnati (and to a similar extent Nashville) can get the purpose-built stadium built near the downtown, then they can demand it from the bigger markets (i.e. Detroit). That is why MLS is being patient. And again, why not change the name of this site to the "Central Parkway" stadium? Completely remove "west end" from the conversation, since it appears that half or even less than half of the stadium footprint will actually be, technically, in the West End. Per the auditor, the technical border of OTR and West End is Providence St., not Central Parkway or Central Ave. Yeah but the City's Planning Department says otherwise: https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/linkservid/B57F68CC-CCF3-D8D6-DD5FB883EA12E1D0/showMeta/0/

I wouldn't completely blame the elected officials, FC Cincinnati did its own bungling up of the deal as well. Not having a transparent, thought out process, not being able to read or navigate community opposition, and not having done its own due diligence on the site options. They made a lot of Developer 101 mistakes.

Whoa, Kenwood is going New Urbanism!?

I live on Orchard and we still see open drug dealing from time to time. I know many of my neighbors have called them in. These things do not go away but they do lessen as the neighborhood revitalizes. An early OTR story that stuck out to me was when I heard the experiences from the Director for Ensemble Theater who started working at the theater in the 1990's. The area whole neighborhood south of Liberty was essentially the Walmart of drugs, with each cross street from Vine to Liberty offering progressively harder drugs for sale as one moved north from Central Parkway. She developed a relationship with the dealers at the corner so they would shift their operation and not bother patrons. I don't recall the specifics, but it involved bringing a pack of beer to them every week or something like that. One of the first things 3CDC did when they began acquiring properties was target convenience stores and shut them down. Often times, the convenience stores operated as fronts for drug operations and would pawn stolen cellphones and other materials from muggings. As the intersection revived, the operations slowly dispersed. However it took constant police involvement and coordination with merchants and residents. Bfwissel is also right about the housing situation, as most housing outside of direct HUD or CMHA are not required to turn away offenders. The Columbia Apartment building at 13th and Walnut was the prime example of such a place, until 3CDC was able to acquire it. This was also a huge drug dealing area yet ironically, safer than 14th for many years. This was because dealers do not like to draw attention to their spots so they watch the street better. Another example was Ziegler Park where they had Findlay Playground levels of activity for a long time. Now that element has moved on. Drug dealing, prostitution and these other activities tend to go on in areas with a lot of disinvestment and a lot of disenfranchised citizenry. One of the things I have told many communities when we talk about crime is to call it in. Most people do not call in these things or report them, so when the police review their enforcement areas, they often miss the communities that need police the most. An example of this is in Avondale where "Hot Shot" cameras were put in at strategic areas, the Police Department found that most residents didn't call in gun fire, even when the cameras recorded it. No neighborhood is completely without these things, but they take different forms in different places. In the urban core these things occur in a much more stereotypical fashion. But don't be completely naive and think this doesn't happen in the suburbs. It happens in West Chester and Sharonville as well, but it happens in cars parked in a big box store parking lot, or someplace else. Because the suburbs are auto-oriented, its just less visible. Eventually the people living and working at Findlay Square Phase I, II, and III (the Model developments around the market) and the OTR ADOPT rehabs at the 5-point corner of Vine and McMicken will demand that attention be given to the park. Then one day OTR Holdings or some other 3CDC subsidiary will purchase the corner convenience store building and it will close. Then suddenly there is a proposal for a redo of the park. And so on. The majority of the criminal element will move on. And so it goes...

Urban revitalization is hard work. It takes time, commitment and tons of money. Developers are investing millions of dollars in OTR because its quality and characteristics are worth saving. There are plenty of people on this forum that have seen this first hand and have done good work. I know you both own property in OTR and have very different viewpoints. That said, name calling and trolling are not good ways to have a productive discussion on this forum. I hope this post has made that clear and that moderators and admin are watching. Please get back on topic. Thanks.

Link to the traffic calming design schematic for Main Street: https://cincinnati-oh.gov/dote/dote-projects/main-street-over-the-rhine-streetscape/design-details-main-street-phase-2/

I think the divide between the two sides of the region is stronger with older residents than with the younger generation. When I worked in NKY long-time residents would call Cincinnati the "big city" and they would talk about people on the other side of the river in a derogatory manner. The river they were talking about was the Licking, btw.

There's the REAL scandal!!