3 Dog Pat

The CC would still be owned by the county, but operated by MMPI. Im not 100% sure who would own the MM, but if MMPI is putting up 20 million, it is disingenuous by FCE/PD to say they will be "given" the MM

i'm probably going to get a well deservered time out for this, but after that post and thr "scaled down" comment on the CC thread, I've decided that I don't like you.

Was that "connectivity" convention expert just brushed off to the side? I would have paid to see that.

Burnham is still a very relevent name in Chicago. Forest City is not. Those two facts make me happy.

Was there a time the general public could have asked questions?

Not breathtaking, but I like

MTS, we just are not there yet. The innerbelt, whether you like it our not, is needed for now and probably for the next 25 years. Even if you built the nations most impressive public transportation netword in that time, people will still use the automobile, and the interstate highway system. There are things we could do to reconnect the neighborhoods, such as building the highway as a trench and bridges with retail caps. Now outer rings, or outer outer rings, or new exits in Avon or Sheffield, there I'll agree with you.

^Gateway, Jacob's Field (I know) and the "Q" were financed nearly exclusively with the sin tax. The Rock hall was financed primarily through a hotel bed tax. The Browns stadium was a mish mash of sin tax extension, bed taxes, parking taxes, ticket taxes etc. When the commissioners were looking at generating income for the CC the sales tax looked like the way to go, because the above projects tapped out all of the other revenue streams.

Looks like Forest City and the plain dealer are keeping old Heywood on the payroll.

If this bridge was in Columbus they would reroute a river to have a waterfall shooting from the side of it.

Wow, what a window into how the Plain Dealer really feels about the city. They should fire everyone on that Editorial board, bring people in from out of town, who will genuinely have their socks knocked off by what a great place Cleveland and NEO actually is. Back on topic....I think convention centers are cool

^^^well, your post was about 10 times more persuasive and 100 times less insulting to Cleveland than Mr. Strang's rantings.

^It is such a change from the White Administration, where he would hire political appointees and put them in charge of the finances. IIRC, no one even had an accounting degree, and no one actually knew how much money the city had.

Does Forest City own the Plain Dealer?

Forget, for the moment ODOTs fixation with high speed motorways. What if, the OC was an extension of MLK and the cultural gardens. 25MPH, but no lights but surrounded by parkland?

Anyone familiar with the Group plan in Cleveland? Is that similar to what is being discussed?

Lets keep it on topic folks

This might be more of the communications gap between local leaders and ODOT, where "T" stands for highways. Look at the idea to turn the west shoreway into a boulevard. ODOT is fixated on keeping it a freeway, with entrance and exit ramps. This may be the same example. It is hard to tell, because I have yet to hear a local political leader or proponant of the OC describe the vision of the road.

This was bound to happen, but I am a little sad and nostalgic for the mall. When I started at OSU in 93 the place was 100% occupied and lively,then came Easton, Polaris, and the other malls. Anyone know what buildings were cleared out to build the city center mall? Will they wind up building buildings that look similar to ones that were there before the mall?

I liked the Ned Hill article. It would have been nice if he distinguished the urban green spaces that he was talking about from the driveway next to 668 that is being called "greenspace"

^rock hall library?

Can we put this thread into time out for the weekend?

For people complaint about hotels and tunnels, I'm sure it would not be difficult to connect both the Marriott and Sheridan to the facility underground. Does anyone know if they are currently?

What kind of trouble do you want to get into?

I think the moment that Starbucks decided to replace real espresso machines with those auto vending things that spit out espresso at the touch of a button was the begging of the fall.