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CIM looks Rock Hall inspired I like it. CMA looks a little sloppier that I envisoned. I hope it is just my lack of imagination.

KJP, Is there any potential to put a rapid transit stop on any of the existing lines near there? Just wondering

nothing about the smoking ban is fair

My sister-in-law knows the developers. They are going to try to make it like the tower press building. A live work space that contains an auditorium that they want to model after the Beck center in Lakewood, and gallery space for the residents. Plus a bunch of condo's for people with money who want to be around people in the arts. If it is done right, it could be spectacular. I am hoping!

Another project in Euclid....gentrification moves east along the lake? Plan for Euclid condos expands Now at 144 townhouses, cottages Wednesday, February 09, 2005 Thomas Ott Plain Dealer Reporter Euclid - A condominium complex proposed for Euclid's lakefront is poised to burst out of hibernation at more than double the number of homes discussed when the project was unveiled three years ago. K&D Group plans to build 144 condominiums, including townhouses and cottages at the top of a shoreline bluff. More at Cleveland.com

For people who were not around South Campus before campus partners, Bernies is a good example of what the whole area was like. Bernie's celebrates 30th birthday By Kate Pivoriunas Published: Monday, February 7, 2005 When descending the stairs into the dimly lit basement that is Bernie's Distillery, it's hard not to notice the graffiti on the walls, and the mom and pop feel in the quaint café. The history that subsists in this underground club is as thick and unique as the wood that makes up their 30-year-old booths, and as live as the bands that shake their stage after dark. Marking its 30th anniversary this month, Bernie's Distillery located at 1896 N. High St., opened in the closing years of the Vietnam War. Originally part of Wellington Hall, which was built in 1928, the building was once a headquarters for the Ohio State Student Alumni Association through the 1930s, and later as an acoustic café/recording studio, harboring artists like local music legend Willie Pheonix. "It's never been corporate," said employee Paul Neikirk, who has worked at Bernie's since the early 1980s. More at http://www.thelantern.com/

Any hope for a football team? I think that would go a long way in building an identity for the school.

I think that is not such a bad idea...well except for the signs Remember that smokestack that used to emit a blue flame from LTV, and well, it will be over the Cuyahoga and I seem to remember something about fire and the river......... A sculture on the bridge that is a monument to the benefits industry brought to the city, and a memorial to what it cost us! (wow, I am feeling creative)

^Well, at least they are ideas.. They are still better than what a university with bottomless pockets partnered with a city with infinite power to seize property are coming up with. At this point I really do not want it to fail..I just don't want people to ever think it was worth 10 years and $151 Million dollars. SO THEY WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN but they will

Hey KJP I think MayDay works with Cleveland Public Art He would have contact info. Is that right MayDay?

Just think if Campus Partners actually helped the area 10 years ago rather than bulldozed it, your idea for a continuous High street would have been real for a few years now.

Parking has become an issue in the Short North, and the retail cap on 670 only made the situation worse for residents fighting for parking spaces with people coming into the neighborhood. (from what I am told from the owners of Mac's) So, actually it may be a big benefit.

Well, I think Cleveland Public Art has done a great job working with the Cuyahoga County engineer and RTA on injecting design into projects like the Silver line and the pedestrian walkway on the Detroit Superior bridge. I would love to see their take on what could be done.

cool (I wonder if Campus Partners will say that since it is closer to OSU than the rest of the short north, that the Gateway Center was the reason it was being built. :-D :evil:)

The Cultural Gardens Foundation objects to the redevelopment of Doan Brook, this is thier letter. The Cleveland Cultural Garden Federation’s opposition to the existing Doan Brook Renovation plan is based on the following: 1. The project is being carried out to compensate for the loss of a natural watershed that occurred as part of the expansion of Cleveland Hopkins Airport. This will be accomplished by returning the Doan Brook in Rockefeller Park to a more natural state, without any consideration given to the adverse impact that this will have on its infrastructure, historic features or function as a public park. 2. The Adverse Effect Analysis performed as part of the section 106 process identifies 12 major adverse effects that this project will have on the Park and Gardens. It summarizes the overall impact as creating “a more rough appearance reminiscent of a nature preserve.” 3. Hydrosphere Engineering carried out an evaluation of the Stream Renovation Proposal and stated the following; “ There is a definite possibility that this experimental channel restoration will not work as designed. The land dedicated to the Cultural Gardens could be irreparably eroded.” The report goes on to even recommend a long-term performance bond, which would be required to repair the banks because the cost would certainly exceed the financial resources of the City of Cleveland. The report makes the following points regarding the goals of the proposal: a. This plan utilizes methods that have been extensively used on streams and rivers that are not within urbanized watersheds. In the few cases that urbanized watersheds were involved the results were mixed. Some failed within a few years after construction. There is not adequate data regarding long-term outcomes. b. The stated reduction in flooding will be as much as 2 feet in certain areas. According to the independent analysis, this is not possible, and that even 2 and 1/2 inches would be an accomplishment. Flooding can still occur even if the project is completed as designed. c. The project will result in improved water quality. According to the independent analysis the proposed restoration project will do nothing to reduce contamination. "The claim that the water quality will improve is at best wishful thinking." d. The independent analysis cites Kenneth Brown at the Center for Watershed Protection in Maryland, stating that the proposed restoration project of Doan Brook in Rockefeller Park is exactly the type of project he warns against because of the significant risk of failure and lack of long-term data. 4. The stone retaining walls along the brook have stopped erosion for over 70 years and are a unique and beautiful design feature of Rockefeller Park. Over 50% of the retaining walls in the Park will be removed by the existing plan. Not one penny will be spent on repairing the walls that are left behind. Without routine maintenance these walls will also eventually collapse. There is no provision for removal of trees that are close to the walls that will remain. These trees will accelerate destabilization of the walls as their roots push through the mortar joints. 5. According to the Section 106 Adverse Impact Analysis, over 11 acres of lawn that would typically be used for recreational purposes will be lost to regrading of the Doan Brook Stream bed. Over 14 acres of lawn will be replaced with naturalistic vegetation and trees to create more of a woodland type effect. As a result the Park will lose one third of its lawn space. This will greatly diminish the function of the area as a public park. 6. Many of the open views of the Park and Gardens along MLK, the Harrison Dillard bike and walking paths will be eventually blocked by the plantings along the regarded brook as they mature. This will not only detract from the beauty of the park, but it will also create substantial security issues because of poor visibility. 7. The FAA states that it has no further financial obligation to the project in the event of unanticipated cost overruns or structural failure. In summary, the proposed changes to the Doan Brook in Rockefeller Park will; 1. Irreparably damage its historic features 2. Diminish its use as a public park. 3. Jeopardize the future of an invaluable resource of the City of Cleveland and a unique national landmark. Rockefeller Park is Cleveland’s "Central Park." Rockefeller Park and its Cultural Gardens clearly represent one of this City’s most important and unique assets. In the past several years we have seen a renewed interest in the Park and Gardens as evidenced by an increased use of the park for recreation and special events as well as a significant commitment of funds from individual nationality groups toward the restoration of their gardens. With the proper long-term planning and funding the Park and Gardens could be fully restored to their former glory. In addition to preserving its function as a grand public park, this unique cultural resource could significantly contribute to the evolution of University Circle into the cultural and educational Mecca that is currently envisioned. The Cleveland Cultural Garden Federation proposes the following: Replace the existing Doan Brook Renovation plan for one that places priority on historic preservation of the Park and Gardens and one that will maintain Rockefeller Park as a public park. Adopt a plan that will realize the full potential of one of Cleveland’s greatest cultural resources. A. Restore the masonry retaining walls to permanently eliminate long-term erosion and to preserve a unique and beautiful design feature of the Park. B. Restore the historic stone bridges. C. Remove trees along the brook that may, by their proximity, destabilize the retaining walls. D. Restore open lawn spaces in the Park to facilitate recreational use by the community. E. Remove dense underbrush and trees as necessary to restore open views through out the Park, to enhance appearance and eliminate security issues associated with decreased visibility. F. Establish a PROPERLY funded long-term maintenance plan that will prevent the gradual deterioration of the natural and historic features of the Park that we are currently faced with. G. Establish the Cleveland Cultural Gardens, a unique national landmark, as the National Peace and Cultural Gardens. H. Create an organization to manage the Park and Gardens exclusively. This could take the form of a public-private partnership similar to the Central Park Conservancy, through which the Conservancy manages Central Park under contract with New York City’s parks department. This same model could also apply if Rockefeller Park and its Cultural Gardens became part of the National Parks.

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Well, SarahBeth, and anyone else at OSU for that matter, I have this question If you were the project manager starting tomorrow, what would you do to fill in the rest of the project? What would you do to make it specific for South Campus?

Mine is the Lorain Carnegie Bridge under construction in Cleveland...in ambitious times

Well, there are 190 apartments and 1200 parking spots so my worry is still there Well, that is the whole point of a neighborhood center, places you can go near your home for the necessities, and a few places that are unique to the area. The old South Campus was like that. We had our own BW-3's, great pizza, fun bars, music venues, etc. We also had Papa Joes, wich was as popular on football Saturdays as Varsity Club Driving has become a necessity for residents of South Campus since CP took over. I still have hope for the Gateway center to be a neighborhood center, but I am not sure if it will just be a campus playground for people from Upper Arlington.

Here is Litt's ideas on the Euclid Ave BRT and related development. I still want bike lanes! :-) Steven Litt COMMENTARY Euclid Avenue plans map out scenic route Wednesday, January 26, 2005 Steven Litt Plain Dealer Architecture Critic ........

I have a bad feeling, and I hope I am wrong, but is Campus Partners going to market this whole development to the people who will fill the massive garage rather than the students in the surrounding area? I know I suffer from Campus Partners paranoia, but it seems like they will be inviting people to drive in, have dinner at one of the expensive restaurants (Happy Greek in the short north is pricy) see a movie, and then drive home. Or this whole development is for the few hundred law students, not for thousands of undergrads. Easton on High Street. Plastic Fantastic Columbus Ohio! So, with the remaining 60% left to fill what would make it a benefit to the people in the surrounding area? I don't think many local businesses will want to work with Campus Partners, but if they did what would be good there? Record store? Probably a bank, grocery store (and not wild oats, Kroger) What would make it site specific, something that could only be on the OSU South Campus and would not fit anywhere else. Just looking for ideas...(and not discussions of the definition of ghetto)

I searched for pictures of High street on thelantern.com and I came across a letter I wrote to the editor back in the year 2000. I guess I haven't really changed my tune. This was in response to an article detailing how campus partners set out with the zoning commision to levy fines on homeowners in the campus area, so many fines that they would simply turn the property over to the city. Still looking for pics The Lantern ran a guest column on Oct. 18 and attached to it the title “Campus Partners sets the record straight about code enforcement.” My question to the journalist who wrote that headline is, “Do you live anywhere near the Ohio State campus?” If you did, you would realize the single largest violator of city codes is Campus Partners and the buildings they own on south campus! Steve Sterrett talks about the “broken glass” theory of crime prevention. If he and Campus Partners believed that, they would have at least tried to repair or cover all of the broken windows and urine-soaked doorways that they own. This spring it will be six years since Campus Partners bought the smoldering remains of Papa Joes and turned it into an empty gravel lot. Since then they have used millions of dollars of university money and government connections like Liquor Patrol to swindle south campus business owners out of their livelihoods. They have nothing to show for it. In fact they have actually held up the natural development of the area. The whole point of the Gateway Project was the theory that campus is so bad that no businesses would want to invest here. The front page of the same issue of the Lantern contradicts this theory. It spoke of all of the new restaurants that were coming into the area, without bulldozing any buildings. In addition to what is happening on north campus, with the new nightclubs and eateries, all of campus could be enjoying a renaissance. But who wants to invest in a business that will be taken by eminent domain? In a year when the university claims it desperately needs a 20 percent raise in tuition, they must need money bad. Instead of spending millions of more dollars to force out the remaining businesses and more to help build a palace to the Gap and Starbucks, sell each plot to responsible parties. This way the university can still have a major say in the development of the area. The local owners can be finally left alone. The university can recoup the money they wasted. And finally, south campus does not have to look like the scary ghost town the Campus Partners has slum landlorded over for nearly five years. Let me make this point again. If Campus Partners believed in a “broken glass” theory of crime prevention, then the way they have let the buildings they own deteriorate to such a degree invites crime into the area. Campus Partners is part of the problem, not the solution!

I'm sure the happy Greek will have no where near as good gyro's as the grumpy Greek who owned Greek Village. Do the other Buckeye's online remeber him? He was the guy who would not serve you if you asked for a "JY-RO" you had to ask for a "Yee-RO"

I bet that most of the new businesses will be closed by 10 each night Again I ask, was it worth 10 years and $150 million dollars. Especially since the university, which pitched in the most money, raised tution every year, sometimes as much as 30%?

From Sunday's PD New grocery store is marketing tool for downtown It adds to the attraction of Warehouse District living Sunday, January 23, 2005 Tom Breckenridge Plain Dealer Reporter The Warehouse District wants you to do more than just eat and party. It wants you to stay. That's why its newest addition - Constantino's Market - is so important, officials say. For more info, click the link www.plaindealer.com