3 Dog Pat

It was the 80's version of Columbus urban renewal The 90's / 00's version is Campus Partners

I heard this guy is not the most financially secure. Maybe I am just hearing FC propoganda, but I think he is personally bankrupt.

Anyone know where exactly on E.4th these places would go?

Here is what Litt thinks... URBAN PLANNING Convention center plans have pros, cons Sunday, January 16, 2005 After a 17-month timeout for a civic agenda dominated by other is sues, Cleveland has resumed its agonizing debate over where to build the city's next convention center. Should the Convention and Fa cilities Authority, or CFA, jointly created by the city and Cuyahoga County, rebuild the aging, outmoded exhibit hall underneath the downtown Mall, following a proposal favored by Mayor Jane Campbell? Or should it build a new convention center behind Tower City Center on a site overlooking the Cuyahoga River, as desired by Forest City Enterprises, the giant real estate company with headquarters at Tower City? ...... Voegele pointed out last week that scouring out the existing convention center under the Mall and building a new foundation poses a risk of construction cost overruns from unforeseen soil conditions and underground streams. Those factors certainly must be weighed, along with many others. But for now, it's clear that Forest City's proposal, while possibly workable, would inject an architectural gigantism along the riverfront that would be hard to camouflage and likely would end up looking very, very strange. Litt is architecture critic of The Plain Dealer. more at Cleveland.com

^cool, it will be good for the neighborhood

I hope you are OK SarahBeth!!!! Thanks for trying. Well, how does it look. For all of my built up hostility, I still hope the end result is a spectacular success. (still doubt it though)

I can't imagine he is moving. Last year he redid the entire second floor to house cooking classes. And over Christmas they were still hopping

I love Lola! :clap: Friday, January 14, 2005 NEWS UPDATE Posted 11:48 a.m. New tenants coming to East 4th Street Two new tenants could boost the on-going transformation of East 4th Street into an entertainment hub. The owner of Lola Bistro, the popular restaurant in Tremont, will open a restaurant in a 5,000-square-foot space on East 4th in the fall. Also, Gameworks, a national chain of video-arcade/bar/restaurant complexes, is negotiating for space on the street

1000 points to KJP!

Anyone know how long that archway was in Public Square? Speaking of that picture, you will notice the statue of Perry. That statue was moved something like ten times, I think it is still on the site of the old Clevelad Aquarium. Great pics, loved the one of the craftsmen on the L-C bridge pillar Someone help me with this one, still on the arch pic. Were the first electric arc lamps, invented by Charles Brush, first used on Public Square? And if so, are those the ones near Perry's statue? 1000 points for the correct answer

^good question

it kinda makes you wish they put the rock hall at tower city

Tower city's property along the river is expansive, so probably next to the convention center. Maybe in that gaping hole along Ontario between Prospect and Huron, next to the landmark office tower

Here is a rendering, I guess Huron Rd. becomes a tunnel, and the Hard Rock guitar becomes a memory? :wave: While I am really upset at FCE :evil: for keeping Scranton Rd. a wasted opportunity, and for all of the other crap they pull, I think now I am leaning toward it as the best place, just because it connects so many dots. Euclid Ave, Gateway, Warehouse Dist, even the south end of the flats. And if they ever get scranton rd developed :whip: it will connect downtown to tremont. (lots of smileys)

Forest City's updated plan...towpath yes, housing on scranton, no. Forest City pushes its river site Convention center panel hears case for linking to Tower City Tom Breckenridge, Plain Dealer, January 12, 2005 Forest City Enterprises Inc. pressed convention-center planners Tuesday to pick its site near Tower City, extolling the riverfront venue as an unsurpassed hub of transportation, retail and entertainment. Forest City's William Voegele acknowledged the big-ticket convention center would likely boost the sagging fortunes of Tower City's retail strip, called The Avenue, and other assets of the prominent real estate company.

The original plan was to bring their brand of redevelopment to North Campus after they were done with South Campus. By the way, the reason the buildings were scary was because Campus Partners owned them, and would not rent them out. One way to legally be able to call the area blighted is to have a high percent of vacant storefronts, so that scary part of town was brought to you by Campus Partners.

All you buckeye's and no pics of the development? Shame..

I don't think it is a "big dig" project. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I thought it would look something like Cincinnati’s freeways near the stadiums. And all the new land for development would come from moving the innerbelt WAY south, creating the area near the Jake to be developed as a new neighborhood. But I am all for a defining bridge. That would be 3 great bridges over the Cuyahoga (guess which one is my favorite)

pcforsgren, I lived in the second to last apartment building on Norwich facing the park. I LOVED that building. That 7-11 always had the best coffee. I am coming down now from my Campus Partners rage.

^Oh, this might take a while. CMH, Do you work for Campus Partners? Second, you have kind of proved my point; you never had a south campus. Sure, it was a great place to get shit faced, but it was also a great place to bank, buy music, buy clothes, buy food, get coffee buy whatever Sandro's called pizza, scales so you would not pay too much for postage, etc. In short it was a community center. We had our own BW-3's for crying out loud. Did it need help, sure. Did it need to be bulldozed and left abandoned for the better part of a decade, absolutely not! Take a look at the turnaround the Short North had. (By the way, High Five is part of the Short north gentrification wave, now that Skully's moved nearby. Skully's used to be in South Campus) In the early 90's the Short North was a very dangerous place. Ask any of the older regulars at the short north tavern. Most guys would be packing heat. I worked at Mac's cafe, and waitresses would be mugged walking home. As funny as it sounds now, you did not want to run into a member of the gang called the short north posse. What happened? Was there a big pseudo-government agency that bulldozed all of the buildings on High street and suddenly it became a great area. No. The Short North merchants association was born. They planned community events, like the doo-dah parade and Com-fest. They worked with their councilperson to get rid of graffiti, clean up the streets, etc. Later they pushed for the Victorian Gate apartments to be built. They not only helped out on High Street, they helped the entire neighborhood. Campus Partners should have been just that, partners with the property owners in the area. There were, and still are, good property owners in the area. If they would have treated these people like the stakeholders they were in the area, and partnered with them, established a South Campus 'stakeholders' association and continually improved the area, High Street and all the surrounding houses. South Campus could have been a national model for how to strengthen a campus neighborhood. But they chose to evict the property owners from the area. They used eminent domain to remove one owner of a business, say a bar or a record shop, and replace them with an owner of their choosing. They said they had to do it this way because trying to improve the neighborhood would take too long, at least that is what they said 5 years ago, 5 years into the project. So after 10 years and I think $100,000,000.00 south campus will have a garage, a movie theater and a few building with street level retail that have all of the charm of a minimum security prison. And not one thing was done to improve the housing of south campus. I have said it before, I hate campus partners! :shoot:

^ If I did not see E. Gordon Gee running away with a can of gasoline, I might consider you a suspect. Just before it burned down, they had a great Monday night import special. Draft Guinness for $1!!! Screw Campus Partners

How do the local politico's stack up on this issue? Namely Voinovich and Tubbs-Jones? If they are both on board, maybe we can squeeze the transportation budget?!?

This spring will be 10 years since Campus Partners took over the charred remains of Papa Joes. OK, I hate the gateway center. Instead of using the ten years and tens of millions of dollars to redevelop the whole neighborhood, they wound up building a few office buildings and a movie theater. Instead of repaving the alley's, working with property owners to rehabilitate thier houses, etc. they spent all of their time trying to evict insomnia

Mr. Coffee, I lived on 9th and Hunter in the mid '90's Ever booze at the stube?

I still think for the money and time invested what resulted was pretty crappy, but oh well. Columbus could always use another outdoor mall. I am just hopinng it is better than I expect.