3 Dog Pat

Bartending at the Royal Sonesta Hotel in New Orleans

Lets not make this a CLE vs PITT debate. Pittsburgh is doing a lot of good things, but so is Cleveland. The point was how the PD can take a good thing the city is doing and make it "not good enough, so why bother. Cleveland sucks" Cleveland rocks, the PD sucks.

^ I think now that Goldberg has left, the old PD is making a comeback

This editorial by Brent Larkin just encapsulated what is wrong with the PD and the journalists of his generation (like Feagler) When are we going to build a future for Cleveland?: Brent Larkin http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/12/when_are_we_going_to_build_a_f.html The story starts off in typical PD fashion, bashing Cleveland. We built stadiums, but did nothing for the poor. OK, fine. Then he talks about how exiting it is that many Cleveland institutions are coming together to fund a college scholarship program for students who graduate from any Cleveland HS. Great. BUT THEN.. "More than two dozen U.S. cities have scholarship programs. The Kalamazoo Promise in Michigan is the most famous, but the idea being worked on for Cleveland would be modeled after the one launched three years ago in Pittsburgh. (The only thing Pittsburgh used to beat us at is football. Now it surpasses us in pretty much everything -- including its economy, university system, ideas and spirit of cooperation)." WTF!! This is a great story, one of the many things that the community is doing to help its citizens. Sure, we were not the first, but we are the first with Evergreen Cooperative. Do you think the Pittsburgh paper is saying that Pittsburgh is second rate because of this??? He took a good story about Cleveland and twisted it to make us feel second rate compared to Pittsburgh. I just hope when the Feagler generation retires, Cleveland can also retire the loathing for this city that the editors of the PD love to spread.

Below is an article with outgoing Gov. Strickland. He is not pulling punches towards Kasich, Republicans, and what I consider entertaining and insightful, our very own Plain Dealer! http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2010/12/outgoing_ohio_gov_ted_strickla.html He also said that "Cleveland's biggest enemy is Cleveland," and cited what he called the paper's negative coverage of the city. "I mean how you could read The Plain Dealer consistently and decide that you wanted to live in Cleveland if you're from outside the state," he said. "I don't know how you do it."

Thank you! I knew I would hear about it here first!

Didn't they need to break ground by the end of the year for tax credits? If so, would a delay mean the tax credits are gone, and then its another financing hole to fill

Mayday, were you there?

Well, its undergound, and the foundation is going to be re-used, so an explosion is doubtful

lets keep this on topic UOers

I didn't think I would like the idea of removing the garages, but now that I see it (in glorious watercolor) I get it. Think of the beauty shots of a city on a hill. Crossing over the tracks will be easier as well.

But then at the end of that very article referenced above... Byron Shafer, a political scientist at the University of Wisconsin who has studied political conventions, said parties' location choices send a symbolic message. "Do you go to your base or go to your periphery?" he said. A Republican convention in, say, Oklahoma would have painted a clear picture of a party in retrenching mode, while Florida is a paradigmatic swing state. Assessing the four Democratic cities in purely political terms, Shafer said: "If you follow that logic, they go to Cleveland." Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/46512.html#ixzz18NpT3f6m

I need an FEB fix, if no one has news, Ill take a rumor. Last I heard, groundbreaking was supposed to be this month.

wig shop?

is there any green party activity in Cleveland?

Could you check that link? It brings me back to this page.

^Is that sarcasm?

Mondale actually increased it in 84, when most of the country went towards Reagan. So, I guess my vote is that the region is swayed heavily by organized labor, rather than other liberal/progressive virtues.

Here is a definition of "Regan Democrat" from Wikipedia, but its in line with mine. Remember in 1980 the Teamsters endorsed Reagan over Carter, and in Cuyahoga county Carter just got 50% of the vote (Reagan got 42%) For the seven county region, Reagan won both elections. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_Democrat Reagan Democrat is an American political term used by political analysts to denote traditionally Democratic voters, especially white working-class Northerners, who defected from their party to support Republican President Ronald Reagan in both the 1980 and 1984 elections. It is also used to refer to the smaller but still substantial number of Democrats who voted for George H. W. Bush in the 1988 election. The term can also be used to describe moderate Democrats who are more conservative than liberal on certain issues like national security and immigration. The work of Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg is a classic study of Reagan Democrats. Greenberg analyzed white ethnic voters (largely unionized auto workers) in Macomb County, Michigan, just north of Detroit. The county voted 63 percent for John F. Kennedy in 1960, but 66 percent for Reagan in 1980. He concluded that "Reagan Democrats" no longer saw Democrats as champions of their working class aspirations, but instead saw them as working primarily for the benefit of others: the very poor, feminists, the unemployed, African Americans, Latinos, and other groups. In addition, Reagan Democrats enjoyed gains during the period of economic prosperity that coincided with the Reagan administration following the "malaise" of the Carter administration. They also supported Reagan's strong stance on national security and opposed the 1980s Democratic Party on such issues as pornography, crime, and taxes.[1]

If Cleveland was selected, Im sure a venue like the CSU arena could be used to host some of the functions that would have gone to a convention center

^Again, it depends on your definition of liberal. Up until his presidential races, Kucinich was pro-life. I think Cleveland Hts has been traditionally a liberal city, but I think that has eroded a bit with sprawl. In NEO in general, I would guess the largest group of voters are people you could classify has Regan Democrats. Probably why the state goes through its red, purple, blue swings.

The national conventions are held in arenas, like the Q

Boston $800MM 516,000sq ft Chicago $883MM 470,000sq ft (McCormick 2007 expansion)

Do we have the ability for real time GPS tracking of the BRT vehicles via the web?

Lets get back on topic, please.