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Agreed. There is so much new construction where they try to mimic having different facades, so its nice when you have the real thing to work with

Probably just kicks the can down the road for two more years

Thats some pretty nifty sleuthing!

^That is some great food for thought, seriously. About the renderings - I have a question. Is the "wicked" sign a billboard, or is it a projection seen at night?

Is United still paying for Concourse D? Maybe they figure it might be worth it get some revenue from the cost?

I still don't think the convention center alone was enough to get funding. The medical mart was the sweetener. I'm sure there are differing opinions, but I feel the new convention center accelerated all of the downtown development, including hotels, which lead to us landing the Republican convention. I'm hoping for good things with the Bio Enterprise incubator, but even if it isn't a significant success, I still feel it was worth the money.

^They did engineer a good beach at Sims park

Sam Zell will not leave Chicago. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Zell

Charlotte wasn't in that list either, so its not a comprehensive list. I hope Cleveland's proposal includes a vision from (former) Forest City / Ratner family members on how the area around the Opportunity Corridor Blvd can be made into an Amazon HQ and Amazon village. With the proximity to University Circle, and the Red line, and presumably lots of upgrades to the O.C. it could make a compelling choice.

The street level businesses are already there, as this project is building upon the 515 garage which was built about a decade ago.

Funny how edale forgot to mention anything about the Bengals deal with the city. It sounds like they fleeced the hell out of a "weak" city. Talk about insecure: Hamilton County faces a $30 million budget shortfall and has had to cancel a planned property tax rollback in order to service their debt. Yet, the fear of losing a sports team (and the votes of sports fans) have caused local officials to blink time and time again. http://www.businessinsider.com/worst-stadium-deal-cincinnati-2011-7 Yes, they did. After the Browns left Cleveland for greener pastures in Baltimore, the threat of The Bengals leaving got very real, and voters approved something that should have never been approved. At least the people got to vote on it, though. The stadium deal also paved the way for the redevelopment of the riverfront. So if you want to look at the thousands of new residents, hotel, bars and restaurants, and GE's 1,200 employees they brought to their new building at The Banks (jobs that are new to the region, not shuffled from elsewhere) the scales look a little more balanced. There is no mistaking that The Bengals deal with Hamilton County is one of the worst professional sports deals in the country, though. Is that something worth emulating? However, I brought up the Reds to specifically talk about community investment. Cleveland posters on this site are always talking about how Cleveland is the big city this and 6th city that. NEO is 4 million people! The media market is massive! It's just odd to see the city act in a way that is so contrary to the attitude exhibited here. Cincinnati never makes these claims, and its media market is separated from Dayton's, so it does not have that benefit that Cle gets from having Akron in its media market. There has always been an acknowledgement that Cincy is one of the smaller major league markets, which probably helps explain why the county voters passed such a ridiculous package for Paul Brown Stadium. Thank you for answering my question. So the general fund will take a bit of a hit to pay for this? That is not inherently problematic, but it is worth noting, if true. The weird part of this whole discussion is that funding was never refused, nor was the partnership between the City and Cavs. There was simply an initiative to bring the plan to a vote, and then Gilbert pitched a fit and walked out. A team that brought the first championship to the city in decades should not be one that you have to worry about leaving if an arena renovation plan is simply put to a vote. That's a bully tactic. This is the same tax that Mayor Jackson was willing to bankrupt the Beachland Ballroom in order to collect the tax revenue because it was so important to the city Mayor Frank Jackson did not embrace the legislation. His administration has pointed to a 2009 efficiency study that called for the city to do a better job of collecting existing taxes. "My position is the same," he said in an interview after the council meeting. "People owe, they should pay. We have a city to run. We can't run it on air." http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/10/cleveland_to_consider_dropping.html

How many people who signed those petitions are going to be angry enough to sign another set of petitions, or maybe vote out some of the elected officials who fought them in court to not accept the petition?

I would love if the partnership that brought uptown together got ambitious and wanted to tackle a big portion of development around the Opportunity Corridor

Check out the Cleveland Trust Building, besides the columns, it has the same iron fencing as the 9th street bank. All of these pictures just to look at, its like a lost city

employee Oh, I thought that was Electrical Engineers....

Who is going into those spots that were vacated by the EEs? It may be valspar staff working on integration plans. (complete speculation, but just because a group is moving locations, doesnt mean that space is being abandoned)

Does it still have all those satellite dishes on the roof? Craig owns it now, and I think one of them is still up there. The old owner, Doug, was an early adopter of satellite TV for sports. Fun fact: The Stube and the convenient store there is owned by the owner of Varsity Club, the businesses just rent. Every few years Campus Partners offers to buy the land, he says no.

The Bier Stube was my social life and one of my employers the 7 years it took my to get my 4 year degree. I am SHOCKED Campus partners renovated buildings rather than bulldozing them.

This article coincides with a Democratic party rebranding called "Better Deal" in which they also complain about mega mergers. I am thinking they want to shift the focus off of free trade, and NAFTA. That said, the idea has merit, and it is worth looking into to see if the data supports the hypothesis.

I'm still raping the earth for oil down here in New Orleans, but if they make me move to Houston, I'll become a free agent again. I have a couple of siblings who live in Euclid, right on the lake. If I make my move back to the CLE I am thinking I will try to get a lot on the water. It may mean I live in far out east, but the lake is so breathtaking that is where I will start my search. Still will consider a renovation if the right house comes along.

Welcome Groyd!

Why were the Indians able to pay for renovations to their facility, but not Dan Gilbert? Yes, the admissions tax would be redirected to offset what would be owed by the city, and assuming the Cavs make the playoffs each year, that tax would cover what is owed. However, two points: 1. That admissions tax (the same tax City Hall turned the screws on places like Beachland Ballroom for) would otherwise go to the general fund. 2. What are the odds the Cavs will go to the playoffs without LeBron?

We have to keep up the pressure on them to deliver at least some of the promised benefits of the OC. I have always been a proponent, because of the potential to transform the area around it, but we have to keep a spotlight on them so they dont wind up wasting this chance.

Just a note that I was in the Cleve last week, and as I often do, posted every minute of the trip on Facebook. The weather this past week made nearly every shot of the city and the lake postcard worthy! Our Cleveland impressed a lot of my friends!

( I could not find the Tower City retail thread) Has there been any significant change in the retail makeup of the mall since it changed hands from Forest City to Rock gaming?