3 Dog Pat

Stache's...I was there (so says my bumper sticker)

^Oh yeah, extra points to Campus Parnter for evicting Insomnia at about the same time they arrainged to have a Starbucks come in a few doors down.

just to bemoan the point, but Singing Dog was one of the non-bar entities that made South Campus, along with Firdous middle eastern restaurant, the bike shops, Magnolia Thunderpussy, Pappa Joes, Waterbeds and stuff, Greek Village, Sandros :) , Rivelle's Pizza, a few other pizza places, the convenience store, banks, barber shop.... The "sh!tty" dive bars included Papa Joe's, basically the south campus varsity club, Skully's, Not Al's Rockers, Not Al's Pub, Cornerstone, Sloopy's, Maxwell's, Paninni's, and a few crappy dance clubs. It used to team with so much life that the cops would have to set up a metal rope on the sidewalk so the crowds would not spill over onto the street. So, if you just took the "sh!tty" bars away, you still had a unique neighborhood. It could have used some TLC, no doubt, but it did not need a bulldozer and a mini-Easton. Imagine if that type of help was used in the Short North back in the early 90's. Instead of the thriving neighborhood center of unique places to visit, you had a half empty shopping center.

Were they here for the Orchestra at Public Square? | \|/ Awesome V

Well, if we persue a millenium park type development for the malls or the square, the carousel would be a nice element. But I have to agree, plopping it down and hoping for the best isn't all that smart.

Should be good free publicity for the Rock Hall in CLEVELAND Rock hall plans Jackson candlelight vigil 1 hr 4 mins ago CLEVELAND – Hours after the memorial service in Los Angeles, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland will honor Michael Jackson with a candlelight vigil. The event scheduled for Tuesday night will include remarks from a local church pastor and from Terry Stewart, president and CEO of the rock hall and museum. Fans will be invited to give their own testimonials to the King of Pop during the ceremony on the hall's outdoor plaza. Also on Tuesday, the museum plans to unveil a special memorial wall dedicated to Jackson, a two-time rock hall inductee. He was inducted in 1997 as part of the Jackson 5 and then again in 2001 as a solo artist. The hall's collection includes several outfits Jackson performed in and one of those very familiar gloves. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090707/ap_en_mu/us_michael_jackson_rock_hall/print

I don't get that headline.

Where is MTS?

^Ever go there before Papa Joes burned down? It was a lot more than just bars.

It wasn't just bars, it was banks, restuarants, a big bear bakery, bike shops, record stores, barber shops, etc. When the university said it would use emminent domain to take all of the property, all new investment in the area ceased. Oh, don't get me started. Suffice it to say, I lived and worked on South Campus before and during Campus Partner's push for urban renewal via the bulldozer

I was talking about private development, not University money

(cross question from Lakefront Development news) What do y'all think about putting the renovated Euclid Beach carousel on Public Square?

What would y'all think if the carousel were installed on Public Square?

If education were whole answer, why would Beachwood be losing population?

I think it can be done right. I am sure it won't be done right.

^well that is great. When did Papa Joe's burn down, 1995? Ever since that they used the threat of emminent domain to strangle the businesses that were there. They took what was a neighborhood center, that could have used some TLC, and turned it into a dangerous ghost town so they could build thier $100 Million mall. The University spent the $100MM at a time when tuition was going up the maximum under state law. So we get what, one spin off development in 14 years? Arg, sorry but Campus Partners hits a nerve with me.

Its a personal axe to grind since the PD was called out at the City Club

The whole point of the Healthline was to spur development along Euclid Ave, and it was working well until the housing crisis. There are lots of places this hospital can go, the city planning department should have the discipline to demand that any development along Euclid Ave fit into a dense urban main street. Maybe there won't be that kind of development there for 10 or even 20 years. Now, that development will never happen on those 14 acres, and not it is much less likely in the areas immediately surrounding it.

Welcome to Cleve...er....INDEPENDENCE!!! (nope, not going to let that one go)

^Not to be cleveland.bomb negative, but what are the odds that it won't look a lot like a clinic set-up?

OK, I just got up to speed about the 14 acres gobbled up along Euclid Ave, at the behest of the mayor. I am very let down by his decision, or inability to convince the hospital board to preserve the Euclid Ave street frontage for eventual TOD.

KJP can correct me on this one, but I would not consider a building on 14 acres (probably surrounded by a sea of parking and a nice green lawn) as a TOD. Time to put a call into the planning commission office. Others, please join.

MH, you are a posting machine!

^A good example of the outreach Mayor Jackson's administration has done to international cities and groups. Referring to the conversation in the population thread, this is working toward attracting not only new businesses and the jobs that go with it, but also immigration. Kudos. (The Mayor is off my sh*tlist now that the MM drama is nearly over)

I wouldn't worry about it. It actually mentioned Merch Mart, which the Medical Mart could be considered a branch of.