3 Dog Pat

I always tell new transplants to look at Detroit Shoreway, but it is a bit out of the way on the near west side. I had a job in Pittsburgh, signed a lease on Carson street in 2001, but my job was eliminated before I started. Do you know the Gyro shop on Carson street? I would have lived above it. Take a weekend and wander through the city.

I'm hoping the gays discover Euclid, my hometown.

^Cleveland Clinic/UH and the soon to be up and running Medical Mart which I strongly feel will pull in medical device makers are all jobs generators. The people who care about the community, nearly everyone on this board for example, are striving to make a healthy city. Look at most of the talked about projects, E. 4th, Detroit Shoreway, UC Museums and housing developments are all things that contribute to this. To get people to move here they have to want to stay here. Cleveland is on the right track. We have to keep doing what is working and develop new statagies to make the city healthy again. If you build it, they will come.

Random (really random) thought. now that I live in NOLA, I was thinking UC needs horse drawn carriage rides. Down here the drivers are like tour guides (like Lolly the Trolley) I think it would be great for tourists and some locals to have a slow guided tour of everything UC and Little Italy has to offer. On a related note, time to get that Adderal prescription filled

data mining the thread

Its in the article. Most people on this forum (IMO) will consider the county part of Greater Cleveland. Once you go to the 7 county "metro area" it just becomes a story about sprawl.

Well, just think of the pure ecstatic joy the editors of the PD had when they had solidly bad news to splash on the cover of the paper. I think Mayor Jackson's administration is doing a lot to entice immigration. They have been pursing international companies to set up shop here. That may be drops in a bucket, but at least it is a start, and you have to start somewhere. Also, downtown and the near West Side are growing, and soon so will Univerity Circle (Uptown :|) so the seeds of growth are there, we just have to continue to nurture them.

Awesomeness. Will that make two Italian restaurants on E. 4th?

I would ABSOLUTELY love a Fitgerald type federal prosecutor to come into Cleveland once he is done in Chicago.

I wish they would take over management of the marathon. They could turn it into a world class event.

Here is the rundown from Crains. City Club audience hears optimistic med mart proponents. Based on the sections I made bold, I'm guessing the PD will start running stories about how the City Club is made up of a bunch of illiterate jerks. By JAY MILLER 2:57 pm, June 29, 2009 Before a packed City Club of Cleveland audience that was near-unanimous in its support by a show of hands for the planned medical merchandise mart and convention center, the project’s proponents gave little glimpses of encouragement to the sold-out audience. PRINTED FROM: http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090629/FREE/906299955/0/contact&template=printart

I wonder what exactly Kennedy said about the PD

^a few years back there was a lot of attention given to this area. Live/work spaces were approved legislatively, developments such as the Tower Press took advantage of it, sidewalks were extended to provide patio dining for new restaurants and the like. Basically, the seeds that were sewn a few years back provide the type of environment the company was looking for. That, or the PD was having a firesale of leases.

What is a lull?

^Cut him some slack. He was posting on the Urban Ohio forum, he can be excused for assuming this collection of hip with it people would be familiar with the workings of RTA. :)

I wonder how much entertaining MMPI will be doing around town this fall :)

Too bad there was not a "you need a bitch slap" category, which they would have won based on merchandise mart coverage.

It was brought up earlier in the thread. IIRC the plumbing for them was not engineered correctly for the harsh enviroment, and leaked into the CC.

I know for certain the splash park aspect of the fountain was not planned, and at first they tried to keep children away from it. The artist had to lobby for it (he may have intended it, just not told the Crown family) My on again off again business partner owns the Park Grill, the restaurant in MP.

My favorite part of MP is the fountain that has turned into a splash park in summer

I grew up in Euclid, off 222 on Ivan Ave. A lot of my fam is still there. Honestly, look into the forclosed homes. Unfortunately, there are a lot of them. Last year a house on my Mom's street went for $5,000. The house wasn't in bad shape at all. My brother bought a second house near his house on the lake to be used as his "home" office for $10,000. As for my personal opinion of Euclid, I love it. Two of my brothers bought houses along the lake for what a small house in Lakewood would go for. Since I was a little kid I always heard "Euclid is going to hell soon" but you know what, it never has. There are people who are just passionate about the little city that could. I often think of Euclid to Cleveland as the nation to Cleveland. A city that unfairly gets knocked, but if you actually spent time there you would come away impressed. So if I have not scared you off yet, lets get down to your question. Euclid has a few large apartment buildings, such as K&D's, but it also has a lot of top/bottom doubles or Cleveland doubles, usually along the main streets of the city. If you have the time you should look into them. Euclid has several districts: North of the Boulevard Between Lakeshore Blvd and the freeway Between the freeway and Euclid Ave. Above Euclid Ave up to the heights In a nutshell, North of the boulevard are nice homes, some along the lake. I am not sure how many apartments there are there, but you may be able to rent a house. For the homes not on the lake, there are a lot of private beach clubs. There is also a nice park, Sims Park, just east of 222nd. Growing up I watched many a thunderstorm rolling in over the lake at Simms. The areas between LSB and the freeway is filled with post war small houses. There is a large public park along E. 222 and a nice sized recently rehabbed library there (AND THE POLKA HALL OF FAME!) Streets such as Crystal, Priday, and around there seems to have gone downhill in recent years. Rule of thumb, stay away from the side by side doubles. My guess, they were all built around the same time and build poorly. The houses east of 260th tend to be larger on larger plots than the ones west of E. 260th. That area needs to be discovered by the gays, they could do some great things there (paging MTS) Between the Freeway and Euclid Ave are not places you want to live. Euclid Ave should be the main street of the city of Euclid , unfortunately the urban decay and crime of East Cleveland continues seamlessly into the city of Euclid. There is also a lot of industry in this area. The area south of Euclid Ave the beginning of the heights area of greater Cleveland. Nice houses, but it may be a bit isolated. My advice, the next time you are in Euclid go to Skinny's on E. 222nd and Nicholas. Get to know the local flavor and ask people in the bar where a good place to live would be. I bet some of your future co-workers know skinny's well. Good luck. Be sure to use the search function and look into Colinwood, especially around the Waterloo district.

IIRC, when Tower City was rehabbed with the Skylight concourse the ceiling height of the train station was made too low to accomodate Amtrak trains. I think the current site is best, especailly if it can be used as a bridge over the tracks. As for my suggestion to move it to tower city, it was a poor attempt at a joke. My Mom thinks I'm cool.

^Send it to Tower City, it has superior connectivity

Mods, can we clean up this thread?