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Yet you defend Ohio when it's situation isn't any better? Job growth alone tells you otherwise. Let's review. Wisconsin's unemployment rate is almost 2% lower than Ohio's. Who cares though because unemployment rates don't say much. But in the last 10 years, Wisconsin's labor force has grown by about 100,000 while Ohio's is still down by about 200,000. Pretty impressive for Wisconsin considering that they aren't a fast growing state. If you truly have visited Wisconsin, then just about anyone could tell you the state has better infrastructure, is cleaner, and the towns are actually taken care of. Meanwhile, many Ohio towns have been left to fend for themselves and basic amenities are being cut. Paving a road? Cedar Road going from Beachwood to Cleveland Heights is an embarrassment, and the patchwork they are currently doing on many roads won't last past this upcoming winter. Milwaukee has stabilized its population, Cleveland hasn't even come close. You've been to Wisconsin, right? Have you noticed the cranes? Cleveland talks about highrises, Milwaukee has been building them. Were people not talking about Amazon's announcement in Cleveland recently? Foxconn is that many times over. Think of what Honda has done for Ohio and the supplier plants and spin offs. Honda has been great for Ohio. Foxconn's move will likely lead to spin offs and infrastructure upgrades. JobsOhio and John Kasich have not done nothing for this state, and each time job's reports get released, we have to here from George Zeller that Ohio has been behind in job growth for what, 55 straight months now? I am a realist, so I have no problem mentioning Ohio's problems and not trying to sugarcoat things. If you think Wisconsins infrastructure is in good shape. You haven't seen a lot of the state. Furthermore the low unemployment rate further proves there is no need to pay 1 million for one job. Further. I would never defend ohio doing the same. Wisconsin has always valued higher education and their growth has nothing to do with pie on the sky manufacturing plants.

Foxconn has talked a big game years in Pennsylvania with a project that never happened. Reports I'm reading say 3Billion in incentives from the state. Not including TIF and local incentives. Only 3,000 jobs are guaranteed from the start. That's 1 million per job. They paid too much.

State budget is pretty terrible for a state doing do great. If you've been paying attention to the Foxconn con you'd know that Wisconsin is considering incentives of 1 - 3 billion. So anywhere from 100k - 300k per job. But yet road construction and education get cut. Yay progress. http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/it-s-july-and-the-state-still-doesn-t-have/article_cd4e0ee7-7abb-5347-be1d-365facccde81.html

Paying 100k minimum for jobs that will likely be automated is Scott Walker level dumb.

I spend a lot of time in Wisconsin.

I don't think Jobs ohio has ever paid 100 per job. You need to spend more time in Wisconsin or research their state budget.

Wisconsin can't even figure out how to pave roads. However, they can put up 1 billion in incentives.

Wisconsin is paying at least $100,000 each for those jobs.

I don't mind McDonald's and other fast food places in neighborhoods. In fact, I think they are needed. I like how the McDonald'sand Dunkin Donuts in Lakewood interact with the street. For me it is about the form

I have no legs. I have no legs.

^ Taco Bell is great to satiate munchies especially from a night of smoking an herbal substance or so I've been told.

Just a general question because I am not super familiar with Columbus's economic mix but. The BLS shows significantly fewer manufacturing jobs than Cleveland, which makes sense. However, they have had strong gains in the manufacturing sector. Does anyone know the reason for this? Is it union, sector mix, or a combination of both?

^ I agree. It seems that at some point Eds and Meds will become a larger portion of the overall which will help offset manufacturing. I also assume that as manufacturing move to the deep south that some workers are following those jobs. Some demographic information suggests that the Cleveland metro is slowly gaining in the college educated demo while those with just HS degree is stagnant or decreasing. I think we are witnessing an evolution in the economy albeit in slow motion.

^ the most likely reason is that people who've been on the sidelines are now seeking employment. I suppose that population could be increasing too. Perhaps some of the technical eds and med are being filled by newcomers to the region.

Nice update. Lots of good news in there. Unemployment has gone up 1 percent since April. I assume that's from people getting back into job seeking mode.

A theater to rival Valley View would be tough. Valley View is located in a more central location in the metro area and is easily accessible via interstate and plenty of free parking. It's not to say it can't be done but it will be challenging. More daytime uses would be great but challenging as well. Most of the daytime population downtown (office workers) are located a long walk away from FEB. One could spend their entire lunch time getting there and back. Perhaps more office uses in the Flats or Warehouse District could help but as was alluded to by gottaplan, it will be difficult to fill new office space. Perhaps MM and/or SW could move there.

It's my understanding that the city's portion of this is coming from admissions taxes from the arena itself.

I wouldn't worry too much. Financing is all but locked down. $2 million is a very small part of the overall capital stack.

Mandel is already off to a bad start getting admonished online for siding with Alt-right trolls. He is gonna try to ride the Trump wave that has already crashed. But I guess those of us in Ohio are always behind the trends.

Dude posted a joke with a common theme. you should chill out. this is just the internet. You also changed one of your posts where you claimed the Confederacy wasn't a different country.

Jokes are meant to be repeated. yawn

I bet they don't have American Revolutionary War hero statues in public spaces in England though.

Exactly right

You conveniently left out the fact that during the post war white flight, African Americans could not get FHA loans.

Here is some more exciting history In addition to its present borders, Cuyahoga County, when officially formed, included parts of modern-day Lorain, Huron, and Lake Counties. By the time Cuyahoga became administratively separated from Geauga County, provision was already being made to detach the counties of Lorain and Huron. Huron became a county in 1815, while Lorain became a county in 1824. The new borders, however, put one community at a disadvantage. The Lennox Township was split between Lorain and Cuyahoga. After appealing to the general assembly, the community of the township was reunited with Cuyahoga County in 1827 and changed its name to the Olmsted Township. The county experienced another major border adjustment with the formation of Lake County in March 1840. Although the greatest portion of the new country was ceded from Geauga County, the Willoughby Township was separated from Cuyahoga County and added to Lake as well. Still, the boundary between Geauga and Cuyahoga was not clearly defined until 1843, when it was decided that Geauga would transfer Chagrin Falls to Cuyahoga in exchange for a strip of land from the Orange Township. Since the time of this final adjustment, the borders of the county have borne no further changes. http://www.cuyahogacounty.us/en-us/history.aspx