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Well, I would think it's gonna take a lot more than $4/gallon gas to abandon the trillions of dollars of property that private cars make tenable. We've come so far down this path that I don't believe even an oil crash would change the basic transportation structure. Maybe that means you pay double for a car that runs on electricity generated at a nuclear power plant - great, get fewer features, less pick-up, but you get to stay in your huge home in the community you love - I think that's a no-brainer for most folks. Maybe they cut down to one car, maybe they use more public transit, maybe folks who can't afford it move closer to transit - but even if gas rose to $20/gallon, you ain't gonna sell your $350K home for scrap, you're gonna find a way to make it work. If oil crashes, we're going to pay a lot more for products because of increased cost of transport, and that will definitely impact the economy. But it's not gonna turn a $350K home into a scrap heap or turn yuppies into starving gangs, like someone on another thread implied...that's nuts. Just like after 9/11 the economy adjusted to majorly increased security costs, so will the economy adjust to majorly increased energy costs. One thing makes the energy costs easier to bear - unlike 9/11, the new costs are coming in gradually, over the course of years as oil gets more expensive to extract but demand goes up; and one thing make energy costs much harder to bear - it's gonna be a far, far deeper transformation. So does that mean a depression, a recession, or a long-term drag? Hell if I know...but just like everything else, we'll pay the cost and make the changes.

Do you have a link to that story?

Yeah, I was reading the history of Cincinnati's sewer system, and was shocked to see a figure in the 200K's right after the Civil War...I was curious about historic population data, so I eagerly await your post!

Here's another source: http://www.westmont.edu/_news/pages/style_guides/westmont_style_guide.html Slightly different list, along with a list of international cities: Anchorage Atlanta Baltimore Boise Boston Chicago Cincinnati Cleveland Denver Detroit Honolulu Houston Indianapolis Los Angeles Miami Minneapolis New Orleans New York Oklahoma City Philadelphia Pittsburgh St. Louis Salt Lake City San Diego San Francisco Seattle International: Beijing Berlin Geneva Gibraltar Guatemala City Havana Hong Kong Jerusalem Kuwait London Luxembourg Macao Mexico City Monaco Montreal Moscow Ottawa Paris Quebec Rome San Marino Singapore Tokyo Toronto Vatican City

I just found that here: http://www.dwu.edu/info/ap_style.htm I assume it's the same list: Atlanta Baltimore Boston Chicago Cincinnati Cleveland Dallas Denver Detroit Honolulu Houston Indianapolis Las Vegas Los Angeles Miami Milwaukee Minneapolis New Orleans New York Oklahoma City Philadelphia Phoenix Pittsburgh St. Louis Salt Lake City San Antonio San Diego San Francisco Seattle Washington (note: D.C. is not used)

Any stats on Cincinnati in that poll?

I certainly defer to your knowledge of the subject, but I've got to say, "cost prohibitive" is a pretty unsatisfying explanation when we're talking about $1.5MM in repairs, and the problem isn't even fixed yet. If you say this is just one of those things, I guess I can accept it, but man, it's a very tough pill to swallow when you see all the other park projects this money could be spent on...

I was mostly asking about the architecture students' plans. Here's a link from that thread: http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/cdap/downloads/cdap_pdf8958.pdf ...looks like a lot of great plans in the works. Best line from one of those articles talking about Short Vine: Looks like the project is picking up steam - can't come too soon!

Corryville is no closer to downtown than Walnut Hills is, and from what I remember (it's been a year or two now) it pretty much blows - bad produce, poor selection, seedy feel to everything. The Walnut Hills one has decor stuck in the 70's, but it's a fairly large store, nice employees, and the Alexandria building as a backdrop...if I were coming from downtown, I'd probably go to the IGA before I'd go to Corryville Kroger...and in fact, I'd probably go to IGA before I'd go to the Walnut Hills Kroger too... Say, anything ever came of this? http://www.cincypost.com/2002/11/12/super111202.html Krogering in the city UC students designing store that 'will be welcoming to everyone who uses it' -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ By Craig Garretson Post staff reporter Thirty years ago, supermarkets began an exodus from inner city neighborhoods, building ever larger megastores in the suburbs. But those big superstores surrounded by parking lots don't lend themselves to the limited confines of a city block, leaving companies to struggle with the question: "How do you transform the suburban prototype of the superstore that is now being used into something appropriate for an inner city setting, where you don't have access to an 8- or 10-acre empty block? No link available.

You should sit next to me at work!

THEN TAKE BIGGER SAMPLES!!! An engineer complaining that the data he collected was insufficient is like a sys admin complaining that he lost his project log because backups weren't working. Crazy.

The one in Walnut Hills is just up Gilbert, and while it's nowhere near as nice as Hyde Park, it has the staples in a pleasant enough environment. The produce isn't great, but it's big, lots of selection.

Yeah, my shot probably is more distracting than enlightening, but if you look close you can see there's a big hole behind the fence. Excavation is under way...

I have an embarrassingly bad picture I snapped of the site while stopped at the Erie/Michigan light yesterday - I just had time to point and shoot, and the flash went off...but if you look closely, you can see the hole in the ground and the gear...

Wow, thanks for the recap...

^Wonderful idea! LOL!

That is just fantastically cool! I wonder how many other jurisdictions can say that...

Goetta is kind of like scrapple - it's pork product and pin oats, all mixed up with some spices. Glier's comes in tubes like sausage does, and it has a similar consistency. It has a truly unique flavor, unmistakeable. When you come back thru town, check out your breakfast menu and see if it's offered - it's surprising how many places offer it. But if you get much outside the 275 loop, you're out of luck...

I think the main food I would really, really miss if I moved away would be goetta. I'm sure you can order it over the internet now, and I thought I heard once that Kroger's will sell any product they carry in any of their stores if you ask them for it - someone was interested in a particular brand of iced tea or something, and they were going to hook him up (if he were willing to buy a case). But getting a goetta, egg and cheese sandwich from Giminetti's, or a side of goetta at the National Exemplar - I'd really miss that.

Wow...that is a very long ways to go. Even something as big as the Pinnacle only has what, 80 units? So it might add 160 people to the total. I never really thought about that math before, but that kind of population growth would have to take an extremely long time... And on the lots, the more surface lots you can take away to build on, the more valuable the remaining lots become - the task gets harder as you move forward...

How many people does Cleveland have living downtown now? Are you anywhere near 25K?

Cincinnati's original name was "Losantiville":

Here's the shots I posted a couple weeks ago in your thread about the mystery grading...

I just did a search on the city's Department of Buildings and Inspections site, and found the following two entries: 11/05/2003, permit for Commercial Demolition: "WRECK OFFICE BLDG". The permit is expired. And then, 11/01/2004, another permit for Commercial Demolition, status "Applied". If the project were completely lifeless, would someone bother to re-apply for the demolition permit? Or is this just SOP and some paralegal in some attorney's office had it show up on her calendar to re-up the permit?

Wow...yeah, that's gotta be double what any other place in CUF goes for...except maybe the houses at the end of Fairview...