MoonlightOhio

First of all, how in the hell are you computing this? Secondly, how is Chicago's reporting of rape different than the rest of the country?

Of course not. I didn't imply that I did or that people should. But if there's a Cracker Barrel in Indiana and a Cracker Barrel in Ohio, I'm going to the one in Ohio. See how easy these concepts are when you're not trying to put words into people's mouths?

But you see what I'm saying. Obviously, there's not as big of a market for cocktail lounges and niche bars as bar owners would like. Otherwise they wouldn't be popping up as quickly as they're falling off.

Yeah, but they keep falling off, too. Remember Cincinnati's "hottest" night spot, the Exchange, for example?

Yeah, really. It's all about keeping money in the state. If you got a casino IN THE STATE, why go elsewhere?

No, it's not just you. They're not my scene, but I guess it's a good thing. I don't know. I'm not convinced Cincinnati can support a niche market like that. Hopefully they'll all still be around this time next year.

Is it me, or are cocktail lounges popping up all over Cincinnati?

Where's that at?

Hilarious. Hey, anyone know what the building is in the "Brutality" poster?

I don't take pride in being a jerk to a kid, and I do feel bad about what happened there. If I'd realized what she was up to I'd have politely told her no thanks at worst, but she seriously looked about 25. I've had door to door sales people that were quite pushy, so I tend not to be nice to them. I understand that they are just trying to do a job, but they, like telemarketers, have chosen a profession that requires them to annoy me when I'm at my home, so I feel no compulsion to treat them with dignity. If I can make a door to door sales person cry, or a telemarketer hang up on me, I do take pride in that. Oh, okay. So you are bragging about being a dick. Good to know.

Cat Patrol, you say you're a big Quentin Tarantino fan; did you like Kill Bill? Because that movie(s) had a HUGE marketing campaign behind it. Must mean it sucked, right? Oh, how about Grindhouse? I remember seeing ads all over TV and the internet for months leading up to its release. I guess that was a dud, too. Hey Cat Patrol, have you seen Jackie Brown? I distinctly remember commericals with the iconic image of Pam Grier walking toward the camera in the airport, with all of the acclamations from film critics flashing across the screen. Man, I guess that means Jackie Brown was a crappy movie. :roll:

Why is MayDay's first reaction to phone the cops whenever a leaf falls?

Haha. I remember sneaking into the Spy Club when I was in high school. I was going to grow up to be a house (the genre) DJ. :lol: EDIT: And yes, I realize I just responded to a discussion from the first page, thinking it was a current topic.

I want to know who the 3 people are that voted "Who cares?" There are really 3 people on UO that don't care about Ohio's economy?

Stop the presses, DanB and I agree on something. :laugh:

Not only that, but if you go west a bit into Aurora, they've got a beautiful town square on the river with local restaurants and shops.

Were you planning on dropping by Milwaukee's Potawatomi Casino? I believe you will find its downtown location and its surroundings are thriving. That couldn't possibly be, though. Casinos ruin local economies. :roll: For anyone who honestly thinks that, check out Lawrenceburg and Aurora. Plenty of bustling, local businesses.

I don't see how my responses to you were any less abrasive than yours to mine. And I'm not trying to sway minds here. It's all pretty cut and dry. I've asked you to provide details on how a casino would rob you of your job, and you've refused to do so. If it's for confidentiality purposes, I can respect that, but don't expect others to fall in line with your opinions just because they're your own. If you want to discuss something, discuss it. I've also asked for specific examples to the specific scenarios that you posed, and you've refused to do that as well. It's definitely for the better that the discussion here is over, as it wasn't much of one to begin with, was it?

What else am I supposed to think when you equate "not gaudy" with "big box store"? That's the thought process of someone who's not thinking.

Why not, did I not make it clear that aspects of the casino will be in direct competition with my employer? I don't what that means. Do you work at an illegal casino? My point was that it's pointless to discuss the affects a casino would have on your job if you're not willing to disclose what you do. That's not a discussion. That's you asking people to take your word for it. And since I don't you from Adam, that's not going to fly in a discussion setting. Which, this is. If you'd like to talk about what you do and how a casino would actually affect your job instead of just stating that it would, I'm all ears. If not, my part in this discussion with you is over. And MTS, what does it matter if you find the exterior of a casino to be dull? You're spending money INSIDE. Because it will be another big box building. Some of you whippersnappers need to live a little and experience a bit more personally and professionally. Not everything is 1,2,3 or as it should be in a perfect world. MTS, you're about as uncreative as a rock. Not being gaudy does not translate into "big box building." Get out more. Open up an architecture book. DISCOVER. Why not, did I not make it clear that aspects of the casino will be in direct competition with my employer? I don't what that means. Do you work at an illegal casino? My point was that it's pointless to discuss the affects a casino would have on your job if you're not willing to disclose what you do. That's not a discussion. That's you asking people to take your word for it. And since I don't you from Adam, that's not going to fly in a discussion setting. Which, this is. If you'd like to talk about what you do and how a casino would actually affect your job instead of just stating that it would, I'm all ears. If not, my part in this discussion with you is over. I'm not going to put too fine a point on who I work for because it doesn't matter to the discussion, as my point isn't my job, but the degree to which casinos will cannibalize the entertainment dollars, and therefore jobs, in competing businesses. The casino proposal, at least in Cleveland, includes other facilities- hotel, restaurant, and concert venue. Casinos use those as loss leaders to bring people into their extremely profitable gambling facilities. That means that hotels, restaurants, and concert venues in the casino's markets will have to compete with a subsidized facility doing what they do. Does that sound fair to you? It sounds like a bunch of bull, to be honest. Show me one casino with a concert venue that resulted in the closing of an established venue. I'm not aware of any. Show me one hotel that closed because the casino built one of their own. I'm not aware of one. Hotels spring up around casinos, not go under. The same thing happens with restaurants. This isn't rocket science.

Why not, did I not make it clear that aspects of the casino will be in direct competition with my employer? I don't what that means. Do you work at an illegal casino? My point was that it's pointless to discuss the affects a casino would have on your job if you're not willing to disclose what you do. That's not a discussion. That's you asking people to take your word for it. And since I don't you from Adam, that's not going to fly in a discussion setting. Which, this is. If you'd like to talk about what you do and how a casino would actually affect your job instead of just stating that it would, I'm all ears. If not, my part in this discussion with you is over. And MTS, what does it matter if you find the exterior of a casino to be dull? You're spending money INSIDE.

"History time"? Child boo! I agree, there is no need, but how do you do it? Harrah's new orleans is about the dullest casino i've ever been in. It would have to be watered down like that. I guessed you missed the BIG CAPITALIZED "EXTERIOR" that I threw in there. I couldn't care less what the INTERIOR looks like. I just don't want a gaudy monstrosity ruining beautiful downtown Cincinnati. It's not a hard concept, MTS. Especially when you consider that Cincinnati was a weatlth of beautiful architecture already in place.

I don't think anyone would argue with that. Is Broadway commons covered by historic? I'm not sure. A quick search on nps.gov yielded this: OHIO, HAMILTON COUNTY, Cincinnati East Manufacturing and Warehouse District, Between E. Court and E. Eighth, Broadway and Main Sts., Cincinnati, 99000318, LISTED, 3/12/99

Jean Ro Bistro's bar does pretty well in that category. I've never been. Thanks for the tip!

The whole idea of a casino is to provide a place for people to gamble. There's no law that states they must be gaudy meccas of tastelessness. You're thinking to much and not looking at it from a marketing / consumer or Industry stand point. Blinking & flashing lights attracts people. The casinos industry has a history of building "gaudy", "tasteless" buildings. That was part of the industry and its culture. Each casino has some sort of gimick tied into their name. Niagra falls first tried to up the anti and look at those casinos. Foxwoods markets to a middle class and upper middle class and has done bambi "country club" marketing of the property...but it's still a big ugly box. The idea is to offer a gimick to get folks in and keep them in. They don't want you to see the outside of a casino until you're ready to depart. Okay, history time! The reason casinos looks they do is because of Vegas. The reason Vegas looks the way IT does is because of the competition. You're right that blinky lights and bright colors attract people, and that's exactly why Vegas looks like vomit from a drag queen's wardrobe. The casinos are always trying to one-up each other and attract more business. Cut to Cincinnati and the notion that ONE casino would take up residence downtown. No competition, no need for a gaudy EXTERIOR, as there's nothing else to lure away its consumer base. Make it nice, make it fit in with the surrounding landscape, and you've got a well received casino.