Civvik

It's 2010. You will be able to live in any major metropolitan area in Ohio with a great deal of comfort and freedom. Almost every major company in the state offers partner benefits, every city has some kind of anti-discrimination policy, and they all have places to socialize and community supported events. Even Cincinnati has done a complete 180. The notorious anti-gay law was thrown out by popular vote, and the city's pride parade was moved from the gayborhood to the central business district, complete with pride banners on the city lightposts, and it was quite a success. The lines between straight and gay life are blurring. You can live pretty much anywhere.

On topic por favor.

Welcome to the forum, Kay.

Let's hope they took the framing budget and put it into the exterior finishes...

Sadly, or happily in many of your cases, I don't consider this OT enough to start deleting.

That's not a "12 by 4 foot section." I think more people will go to the Freedom Center once its surrounded by other stuff.

My off the wall guess is that civic failure is like a cancer. If a city government surrenders too many projects to failure, in the name of pragmatism or conservatism, it evolves into a chronic case of pessimism and fear. I value the leadership style of Mallory for this reason. I feel like he won't take no for an answer, even if he has to spend a lot of political capital to do so. I would do the same thing, hoping that something would break the pessimism disease.

There would also be the question of how to lease the RTC to Greyhound, and what would come of that agreement if SORTA actually decided to utilize it for more than just buses.

Gotta break into a new market somehow. I believe that The Banks is also the largest project Dawson has ever done, but they have the backing of Carter. Likewise Ashley seems to have the backing of Miller Valentine.

The downtown/OTR portion could operate as a minimum operable segment.

That's pretty cool! So the street curve IS following the curve of the rent-a-fence? Unless they moved it to match the real curve since the last picture.

Is this something you could bring up via public comment in a council meeting? Or would that be liable for slander?

They could have misspoken. You'll have to provide a link, if you happen upon one on their site.

there are equally dumb comments on every paper's website. Oh really? Not today. Of the six comments on the Sacramento Bee, all are positive. Of the eight comments on the Cincinnati Enquirer, all but one are negative. One could point to a number of actual factors involved, not to mention my example is almost anecdotal. Regardless, the big difference in attitude fascinates me academically.

Just to reiterate: A Sacramento comment on the streetcar: "What a great concept. Shows how a smaller sized community can think big and act effectively. This could certainly spruce up and incentivise West Sac. Notice how Sac is still trying to figure it out." A Cincinnati comment on the streetcar: "I truly HOPE & PRAY NOT!! The gay mayor has his gay mind in the wrong place. This city is in such disaray and distress it's horrible. This is the only city that does not have a McDonald's downtown. Where the is there to ride the Streetcar to? Be serious. There is already the joke of Cincinnati hosting a casino, this lame, deadwood town."

Compare this story to any in the Enquirer. The difference is shocking. It also only has three comments. All positive and well informed.

Anyone who clicks on my middle link above: the little man is just pointed in the wrong direction, pan over to the right.

Living in Gin: Yahoo grabs your IP and gives you local headlines in their front page headline list. Enquirer: Every day you find a new low of retarded.

Here are the three sites described in the article: 8th and Sycamore http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=broadway+and+eggleston&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=42.716829,70.751953&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Eggleston+Ave+%26+Broadway+St,+Cincinnati,+Hamilton,+Ohio+45202&ll=39.104726,-84.508102&spn=0.003501,0.006968&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.105182,-84.508947&panoid=DGQYmnCO4Uie37fXU-K4Ag&cbp=12,122.06,,0,-4.21 Broadway and Eggleston http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=broadway+and+eggleston&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=42.716829,70.751953&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Eggleston+Ave+%26+Broadway+St,+Cincinnati,+Hamilton,+Ohio+45202&ll=39.106499,-84.506863&spn=0.003501,0.006968&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.106942,-84.507656&panoid=Lhfs4kQPEXdDFR88BrHqWQ&cbp=12,244.79,,0,4.03 7th and Broadway http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=broadway+and+eggleston&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=42.716829,70.751953&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Eggleston+Ave+%26+Broadway+St,+Cincinnati,+Hamilton,+Ohio+45202&ll=39.104664,-84.506616&spn=0.003484,0.006968&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.104712,-84.507087&panoid=I42sKuo7CHTxN6vNo3wCHQ&cbp=12,298.22,,0,-1.72

The lowest arch of the tiara, with the vertical struts, will be covered with more cladding and the company's logo.

Some modeling done:

Nice one. Sherman, where's the rest of your shots?

I believe 3CDC had that site in their plans before the Streetcar moved as close to reality as it has. The site was driven more by the proximity to Vine and Washington Park. They are putting their money where their mouth is, so to speak. I think they are certainly hoping for a Streetcar boost because the building is obviously right on the line. But you can't really attribute anything 3CDC does right now to Streetcar influence, because the Streetcar isn't something 3CDC controls, while Washington Park and Vine are.

Contrarily, it is also important to keep in mind that not every new building is meant to be a show-stopper. If you subscribe to the idea that the best urbanity creates an "urban fabric," then by definition most buildings should be "filler." In a suburban environment every building is arranged like a monument. But it's impossible to afford an infinite number of monuments. Those office buildings at Union Center would be perfectly acceptable as filler buildings as part of an urban fabric.

Let's drift back to Streetcar. Some tangential convo on energy consumption is relevant, but when it gets to a whole page I'll move it.