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Sounds kinda like the time my mom gave me 5 bucks for ice cream at Kings Island, and it only cost three-fifty so I pocketed the change. The Sewer District got played, but I don't feel sorry for them. One would think they would be the ones in charge of contracting the new pipe, not the developer. When you put public infrastructure improvements under the control of for-profit corporations, of course they're going to be naughty. Or maybe SD1 knew about the volume discount the whole time, and were scheming for some kickbacks? The possibilities are endless.

I think this is mostly just Randall O'Toole and his compatriots.

Gracias

See page four- http://reconnectingamerica.org/public/show/gasfinnercityrail That was about five minutes of searching on google. Don't get pissy with me, young man. I'm the only one who's allowed to chastise people for being lazy. I've seen the graphic before that you are referring to, and want to believe there must be more comprehensive information for Ohio, from All Aboard Ohio or a similar entity. In fact the document you linked doesn't mention Ohio by name at all.

OK y'all are just starting to ask questions in circles. If you have a question about a specific block, or a specific building, I, or more likely Sherman, or even Rando, can probably get an answer for you. But if you are just slinging general questions into the wind like "how's this stuff coming along?" then you can look at the 3CDC monthly and annual progress reports here: http://www.3cdc.org/about/monthly-reports/

I think I've asked this twice before, but nobody responds. Can anyone provide car or plane trip statistics in the I-71 or 3C+D corridor?

I use Huntington. Every time I overdrew and got the fee-chain-reaction thing goin on, they refunded me most of it. They are also extremely nice in the bank, and on the phone.

In the words of Liz Lemon... I. Want. To. Go. To. There.

One of the biggest allures of HSR to me is to be able to get from one urban core to another in one seat. If I knew I was going to do a bit of transferring, I'd just go to the airport, or drive. Your proposal also does not take into consideration the future of HSR, which could go south. Then CUT looks like a more attractive location. My feeling is that if rail really comes back like some people hope and think it will, we're just going to have to sink a bunch of money into our existing main station. Like a lot of cities are probably going to have to do. Like Denver.

You'll have to give some addresses to be more specific. I think Gateway Phase 3 and 4 are currently the ones U/C.

Thanks.

Can someone tell me if I have this right? We can't do the station at the riverfront transit center because: -NIMBY's don't want the trains going through the east end -There isn't much room for intercity-style station amenities -It would cost millions to connect the transit center to the west Can someone explain to me what the riverfront transit center is for, then? These issues appear to prohibit ANY rail going there. PS: I don't personally foresee a neighborhood-level benefit from an intercity rail station in Bond Hill. There are no local trips here and the headways are practically non-existent in this context.

It is not in the interest of the establishment to make it easy for college kids to vote. Just like it's not in the interest of the establishment to make one election day a year a national holiday.

^Pointless political shots-over-the-bow.

"Extra line"? Please explain a little more. Sounds like a terminology issue. The fourth line. The fourth main. The new line. The extra line. Whatever this is: http://www.dot.state.oh.us/trac/Submitted%20Applications/2009D08-02.pdf

No, there is no timeline, not even in the government documents detailing the Urban Circulator grant program. It simply says "early 2010." Here's the Register. Knock yourself out: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-29245.pdf PDF page 4, bottom right corner, the paragraph above the bold text. I don't even remember how many of these infernal things I had to read when consulting for Sacramento's LRT. You'd think government documents would be more...colorful. Actually, no you wouldn't.

I don't see what could be misunderstood in that. It says exactly what it says. Perhaps you are merging the 3C project with the CUT project in your head. They are separate projects.... 3C construction moves ahead to meet all the deadlines and federal requirements etc. CUT moves ahead on planning and then construction. While CUT is intended to be served by 3C, it is in a totally separate planning pipeline. I hope that clears things up. Would a sample timeline of how all this could play out help clarify? No, you have made the distinction clear, whereas before you made it sound like the CUT option was simultaneously necessary and jeopardizing the project. But perhaps you've answered this one 50 times already. If 3C spends $15 million to track to a station at Lunken, and if CUT is ultimately critical to the project, why was the extra line at CUT deferred? I'm really asking this to find out what your own feeling is on this is, because surely you have been following the issue as it evolved.

· Urban Circulator (Federal) – $25 million – This Grant Program is specifically for Streetcar type projects. The four streetcar projects that did receive money today are now not eligible for these funds. We believe this improves our positioning. · TRAC Grant – Ohio (Transportation Review and Advisory Committee) – $50 million. (Lifted from Milton Dohoney's press release.)

Whoa!!! You totally misunderstood what I said. If anything, access to CUT is a necessary add-on to the $400 million 3C "Quick Start." But it cannot be paid for out of the $400 million unless the FRA gives the OK. Chances are it won't, which is why the port authority needs to press ahead with its planning to get CUT funded as an added project component. We can add components that enhances 3C "Quick Start" to our hearts' content -- as long as there's new funding for it and the planning is reflective of the public input. "So Ohio can't just accept the money, make the improvements on the ground and delay the start of the inter-city rail service." "That's correct, John. The 3C project has to be underway by a certain deadline but I don't know what that is." "Again, using the local desire to go to Cincinnati Union Terminal as an example, the NEPA-required preliminary engineering and environmental documentation (such as an environmental assessment or categorical exclusion) needed to do this is estimated to cost $1 million. Final design will add another $2 million. By the time this work is done, it will be likely be 2013 -- then construction can start." "If we don't use it now, it goes back to the feds for them to use on another state's shovel-ready RAIL project. It cannot be used for anything other than rail." *** I suppose for the sake of modesty I admit it is possible that I misunderstood the above. Just about anything's possible.

Yes, but according to you, this endeavor jeapordizes the entire $400 million and thus the plans very existence for the foreseeable future.

Where do you work? I still need a job. Although I might be going to Denver...

Then the opposition is winning. Try fighting this battle for 26 years as I have (BuckeyeB has been fighting it for 40 years).... Just having any funding or momentum for rail in Ohio is an incredibly huge victory. Once the trains get on the tracks, it opens up all kinds of possibilities for improvement and expansion throughout Ohio. It is why the opposition is fighting us so hard. John knows this from his fight for rail transit in Cincinnati. Once you get something rolling, there is no going back. LOL. I've spend my entire career planning for transit and TOD. A lot of people on UrbanOhio are some of the best friends this issue will ever have. I echo Johio's sentiments; I will always root for you guys. The opposition must have me in its clutches...

I find myself becoming more and more apathetic about this rail plan every day. I think I'll just keep up on the Cincy Streetcar developments.

Knew a guy that grew up there, on Beredith Place. I never felt uncomfortable there at all. That neighborhood's a real overlooked gem.

^I think those approaches can be tricky. Curiously enough I think there are a lot of people out there with the kind of psychology that actually responds positively to such realizations. That detailing all of the actual power projection that goes into acquiring gasoline, or beef, actually makes them feel powerful. Sort of a Manifest Destiny effect.